Sunday, June 17, 2012

Usury Sunday

 
graphic from Richard Edmondson


Perhaps if you're like me your long term problems with the current state of the majority of Christian churches have been their failure to address the fraud of war. Hidden behind that failure is the refusal to discuss what is the basic cause of war; central banks and usury.

One does have to be religious in any traditional sense of the word to realize that we have been socially engineered to accept usury as normal. It is anything but and silence is betrayal. 





Below is just one current example of someone who does dare to speak out.

 
Christianity's intriguing silence over immoral usury in Western Countries
To The Editor

Sub:- Christianity’s intriguing silence over immoral usury in Western Countries

Ref:- (i)- How can Christianity remain silent when Christians are being rendered as mere bonded labors due to devastatingly huge illegitimate usury resulting in untenable public debts

(ii)- Presently Christian of Western Countries have freedom only to labor for servicing debts, cunningly dumped (an old trick of usurers) on governments beyond their paying capacities

(iii)- Churches with huge assets at their command know the basic principle of lending & borrowing and are morally obliged to protect Christians from mischiefs of usurers

(iv)- Basic principle of debt against collateral (consolidated funds , real estate), pledging etc were flouted in huge public debts but Christianity is not questioning it

(v)- Christians have given immense respect, power and wealth to Churches but getting only apathy and sermons about other-world, in return

(vi)- Christians are too demoralized to question Churches about their brazen selfishness

Dear Sir

The Entire Western World (Europe, USA etc) , predominantly Christian, is burning due to huge unemployment but Christianity (which decried usury all along its history) gives a picture of emperor Nero, as given below, who proverbially was playing the flute while Rome was burning :-

(1)- The Entire Western World is reeling under huge public debt (even 100 to 200 % of GDP) and its people are left in a situation where entire legitimate income of their governments are barely enough to service the debt (payment of its interest and principal) with the result these governments are unable to invest in government programs for removing unemployment from these countries (which will always be there as it is impossible for private capital alone to generate total employment, which is sine-qua-non of any democracy)

(2)- This grave situation has arrived because rulers and politicians of these Western Countries indulged in unbridled public borrowings and instead of utilizing these borrowings in productive assets for public welfare (which would have generated money to service the debt also) , indulged in profligacy with the result public debt kept on rising and reached the untenable proportion up to even 100 to 200 % GDP. This has deprived governments of their capacity to invest in public welfare with the result now political instability also exists in many countries of Western Christian World like Greece, France, Spain, Italy Portugal etc

(3)- Even in USA the government is trying to lull its gullible people by giving statistics of GDP growth or some employment generated in one or two industry / sector while doing nothing worthwhile to remove huge unemployment from USA (for which correct government statistics will never be there in view of millions of illegal immigrants in USA)

(4)- This entire unfortunate situation has arrived due to mischiefs of usurers who lended huge amount of money beyond collateral (consolidated funds, real estate of governments etc) which governments were under obligation to offer and which are supposed to be a pledge against these borrowings. Instead the skewed arguments were given that verbal pledge is enough as it is sovereign debt and governments have huge assets at their disposal (which can be considered collateral) and also governments have vast power to unlimitedly tax the people to service the debt.

(5)- To what extent this license to usurers and to rulers / politicians to print currency without any asset back-up against so called government securities (not worth the paper these are written on) consequent to fiscal deficits, - has harmed the mankind and has shown the ineffectiveness of meaningless said verbal pledging of sovereign assets with money issuing authorities and has demonstrated the hollowness of the power of the governments to unlimitedly tax the people in order to pay back the so called sovereign debts - is easy to understand merely from three such examples of:-

(A)- The European Countries Greece etc who has triggered the present Euro-Zone financial crises and political instability in Europe with adverse impact on the economies world over.

(B)- The India (which apes the West blindly) where despite Article 292 and 293 of the Constitution, the State of West Bengal is reportedly under Rs 2 Trillion public debt with debt service annual liability of 220 Billion whereas income of government is only 210 Billion with the result State hardly has any money left to pay even the salaries of government servants.

(C)- Bail-outs to Bankers (the usurers) from the money of the laboring people are given as a rule in Western Countries.

(6)- But what is most amazing is that how can Christianity remain silent when Christians of these Western Countries are being rendered as mere bonded labors due to devastatingly huge illegitimate usury resulting in untenable public debts where they have freedom only to labor for servicing these debts which were cunningly dumped (an old trick of usurers) on governments beyond their paying capacities. After all contrary to the practice in India (where some monks and saints of Hindus including Jains, Bodhs, etc who move from one place to other mostly on foot therefore generally don't know about and don’t get involved much in this-worldly matters), the saints and preachers of Christianity, in addition to preach or give sermons about other-worldly matters, have immense wealth (immovable and immovable assets) with Churches.

(7)- Therefore the Churches of Western Countries with so much assets at their command naturally know the basic principle of lending & borrowing and is morally obliged to protect Christians from mischiefs of usurers. But unfortunately the Christians of Western Countries who have given so much wealth, power and respect to Churches are in return getting only sermons about other-world from these Churches whereas the Usury (decried by Christianity all along its history) is having a field day in these Christian majority countries and which has ultimately resulted in inadequate growth to take care of unemployment in these Western Christian Countries.

(8)- Here it is pertinent to add that this virus of unbridled usury of economically developed Western Christian World has already spread in developing countries too, with the worst result that the rulers / politicians of developing countries smugly say that when this unbridled usury has been adopted by Western developed World then it is the way we should also do it in developing World if we also want to become developed World like Western Christian World.

(9)- It is evident that the toiling people, the majority, the victims of Western Christians World are too demoralized to question the Churches (which have immense power to influence the governments to remove this devastating usury from these Christian countries) about their brazen selfishness while overlooking the bonded labor condition of the toiling people of these countries due to this usury. Therefore Mankind can only hope that the Christianity will some day come out of its Nero role and will realize its commitment to protect the people from this immoral and unbridled usury which has already taken the gullible majority of the mankind in its fatal cancerous grip.

Yours truly

Hem Raj Jain

(Author of 'Betrayal of Americanism')

Minnesota, USA

Presently at – Bangaluru, India


The so called 'fraudulent' text of the Protocols could not have any truth in them of the plans for enslavement, could they?
 It is indispensable for our purpose that wars, so far as possible, should not result in territorial gains: war will thus be brought on to the economic ground, where the nations will not fail to perceive in the assistance we give the strength of our predominance, and this state of things will put both sides at the mercy of ourinternational AGENTUR; which possesses millions of eyes ever on the watch and unhampered by any limitations whatsoever. Our international rights will then wipe out national rights, in the proper sense of right, and will rule the nations precisely as the civil law of States rules the relations of their subjects among themselves. 

All people are chained down to heavy toil by poverty more firmly than ever. They were chained by slavery and serfdom; from these, one way and another, they might free themselves. These could be settled with, but from want they will never get away. We have included in the constitution such rights as to the masses appear fictitious and not actual rights. All these so-called "Peoples Rights" can exist only in idea, an idea which can never be realized in practical life. What is it to the proletariat laborer, bowed  double over his heavy toil, crushed by his lot in life, if talkers get the right to babble, if journalists get the right to scribble any nonsense side by side with good stuff, once the proletariat has no other profit out of the constitution save only those pitiful crumbs which we fling them from our table in return for their voting in favor of what we dictate, in favor of the men we place in power, the servants of our AGENTUR ...

But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

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  1. And it's been going on for a long long time. Here's what the Founding Fathers said (No offense to normal God-fearing Christians)

    “The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “Christianity…[has become] the most perverted system that ever shone on man….Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and imposters led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.” — Thomas Jefferson

    “In every country and in every age the priest has been hostile to liberty; he is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.” – Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President of the United States of America

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.” – Thomas Jefferson

    The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.– Thomas Jefferson

    The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. – James Madison

    If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. — James Madison

    “In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.” –James Madison

    “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”– Abraham Lincoln

    ‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’ — Thomas Jefferson

    Yes, America is more fundamentalist (per capita) than Saudi Arabia.

    Source of Quotes
    http://antiaginglogic.com/the-founding-fathers-feared-we-would-become-a-priest-ridden-nation-have-we-3/

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    1. We all probably know a number of folks who call themselves Christians and who are peaceful and honest. It is their passivity towards one of the greatest lessons in the book that keeps them from becoming more...casting out the money changers.

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  2. Of course we are judgmental, we're human...

    From browsing P2P's blog;

    "some say judging a person doesn't define who they are, but who you are. the human mind is an interesting charade to possess - in my experience, nine out of ten times when a person is criticizing another, what they really are attacking against is a part of themselves. why? because the way we direct our attention defines who we are."

    "the way people use knowledge defines who they are. a fool will manage to find a way to hurt himself and others with practically anything, while a wise man finds a way to turn any knowledge for the benefit of himself and others."

    http://dyslexiaisokhere.blogspot.com/2012_03_17_archive.html

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    1. The nightmare gathers force - guess who the hunted jack-rabbits are?

      http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2012/06/19/the-nightmare-gathers-force

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  3. Hem Raj Jain has this figured out pretty well, although he doesn't identify the main criminal cabal behind usury...

    Call me crazy, but I doubt the Church establishment and Christianity in general will ever "come out of its Nero role and will realize its commitment to protect the people from this immoral and unbridled usury which has already taken the gullible majority of the mankind in its fatal cancerous grip." Their cowardly silence and acquiescence, by and large, to all the lies, wars, and injustices taking place on a daily basis tell us all we need to know about organized Christianity in our modern age. It wasn't always this way though...

    http://www.spingola.com/Manifesto1882.pdf

    Happy Father's Day to all the dad's reading, have a good one!

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  4. Yep, fiat and usury are behind the wars. Not very Christian is it?

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    1. Fractional banking fiat, debt as money and usury are behind the wars because the only way to prolong the ponzi system is to steal resorces from another country = war.

      And no, it is not Christian whatsoever.

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  5. Breaking: Total fraud, vote rigging in Greece to "stay with euro"

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    1. Yea, just like the total fraud, vote rigging in America to "stay with Romney".

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    2. Does anyone with a brain believe the Greek people just voted to put themselves back into vulture austerity instead of taking the Iceland option to kick out the IMF, ECB, euro and jail the corrupt politicians who sold them down the river with the direct help of Goldman Sachs?

      This has become surreal. We are living in a lie from the Rothschild zionists and their corporate media.

      I call BULLSHIT on the entire Greek election results!

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    3. SERIOUSLY! How dumb do they think we are? Or more to the point, how dumb do they think the Greek people are? If they thought the riots were bad before....

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    4. There won't be any more voting out of the crime scene. The bankers are seeing to it.


      Are things fixing to get hot?

      Not ‘if’ but ‘when’: US intervention in Syria on countdown
      http://www.rt.com/news/syria-rebels-us-arms-028/


      While we are distracted by other things...

      Israeli tanks, bulldozers and warplanes in Gaza.

      http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/06/17/246654/israeli-tanks-attack-central-gaza-strip/

      http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/06/17/246712/israeli-warplanes-injure-5-palestinians/


      This storm may fizzle but what it it doesn't?

      http://enenews.com/accuweather-150-mph-super-typhoon-sets-aim-at-japan-fukushima-near-center-of-forecast-track-expected-to-intensify-and-already-the-highest-category-storm

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    5. "The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." -- Henry Kissinger justifying the US overthrow of Chile's elected leader Allende.

      'The issues are much too important for the Greek voters to be left to decide for themselves.' -- Alfa Rothschild justifying the NWO overthrow of Greek's elected leader Syriza.

      Listen, I am going to be king of the world either by agreement or force - it's up to the world. And just like those towns and villages attacked in our recent hegemonical wars; I am fully prepared to bomb them in order to save them. - Alfa Rothschild

      This Greek tragedy should be the moral world's crossed line in the sand by Rothschild zionists in their attempt to total global control. The situation is now blatant fascism by the zionist jews against the whole world.

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    6. http://rockthetruth2.blogspot.se/2012/06/greeces-rigged-election.html

      The MSM is totally controlled by the zionist international banksters. They are lying 100% about the election fraud in Greece. A conservative estimate is 65% of Greeks voted for the anti-austerity party. Wouldn't you? The MSM is lying that Greeks voted for continued and more austerity. The MSM lies fly in the face of logic.

      This is what happens when the press is owned outright by the 1%. The Greeks are not going to accept this vote rigging. They will revolt. Rothschild will send in armed forces to kill them as a warning to all countries that democratically oppose the zionist jew world order.

      Heaven help us defeat this zionist jew money-changing monster for the sake of our children and our childrens' children.

      My prayers are with the Greek people who are being flayed alive with MSM lies.

      The vote was rigged - absolutely not doubt about it.

      America is next (after Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, France...).

      WAKE THE FLOCK UP!

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    7. "I see that the elections in Greece are going on today, and from what I can see is that the criminals who want to subjugate the Greek people to permanent debt enslavement are definitely trying to steal this election. We are seeing some absolutely impossible election "results" where the party that wants to keep Greece in the European Union and "renegotiate" (this is a laugh, because they will bend over and take the IMF "austerity measures" as demanded) the imposed austerity measures is mysteriously tied with the major party that wants to tell the IMF to take their austerity and shove it up their butts... What we are seeing is a definite attempt to steal the election right under the noses of the Greek people. I sure hope that the Greeks can see what is happening, and if those criminals try to get away with it, take to the streets and void the criminal results...

      Of course, Greece is not the only major headache going on right now in Europe... We see that Spain has folded under pressure, and is begging the IMF for cash injections to keep their own economy afloat..We also see the economic situation still deteriorating in other nations such as Italy, Portugal, and believe it or not, even in Ireland where "austerity measures" were already imposed on the Irish people...And suddenly in the last two days we see reports of banks in France suddenly taking "banking holidays" to prevent bank runs by the public....It does show again that Usury debt based monetary systems eventually are doomed to failure....

      I am surprised that these nations in Europe, and especially in Greece, do not do exactly what the people of Iceland have done, and said NO to the criminal IMF austerity programs. The net result of Iceland going it alone is that Iceland has now one of the fastest growing economies on the planet! I must ask my readers in Europe to take a good hard look at the Icelandic model and tell their governments to not surrender their sovereignty to these criminal bankers...It is time to choose either freedom or perpetual slavery!" Northern Truth Seeker

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  6. Hey Kenny, glad you liked the graphic. The corruption of religions of course is nothing new. It's a process that's been going on for years, centuries even, and Christianity isn't the only religion it's happening to. Look at the "Muslims" who have been corrupted by NATO and become complicit in atrocities in Libya and Syria. Other faiths are undergoing their own splits and schisms. Basically no religion can call itself pure any more, but what helps keep my own faith strong is to know that all this was predicted. The Book of Revelation warned us of the "synagogue of Satan," while the Hindu religion gave us the concept of the Kali Yuga, the evil age, in which all religious would become corrupt. Similar prophecies are also found in Buddhist scriptures. Here's an interesting quote from "Buddhism: It's Essence and Development," by Edward Conze, published in 1951:

    "The Buddhists, who dwell so constantly on the impermanence of all things in this world, could not expect their own institutions to be an exception to the general rule. Like everything else, so the Law must decay--at least in so far as it has gained a precarious foothold in this world. In its full vigour and purity, it remains only for a short time; until a new revelation takes place. Accounts vary as regards the exact duration of the Law. At first, one spoke of a period of 500 years.. Later on, that was extended to 1,000, 1,500, or 2,500 years. The scriptures composed between 200 BC and 400 AD contain, in the form of prophecies, many descriptions of the stages of the decline of the Good Law. According to one account, preserved in Pali, the monks are capable of attaining to the Path and of becoming Arhants only during the first period. From then onward the full fruit of the holy life is no longer attainable. Purity of conduct persists into the second period, a learned knowledge of the scriptures into the third, but in the fourth only the outward symbols, like the uniform of the clergy, remain; in the fifth the relics are left, and the religion disappears from the Earth. Another sutra predicts that in the first 500 years after the Nirvana (death of the Buddha), the monks and other faithful will be strong in attaining union with Dharma; in the second 500 years they will be strong in meditation; in the third 500 years they will be strong in erudition; in the fourth 500 years they will be strong in founding monasteries; and in the last 500 years they will be strong in fighting and reproving. The pure law will then become invisible."

    The whole thing's a process of anomie and decay until the "new revelation takes place" as the above passage puts it, or the new age comes along, or Jesus returns, or the Mahdi arrives, or however you want to think about it. That's kind of where we're at now. But any of these things could happen at any time, and that's why I think going out in the streets and protesting is still a good idea--it's not a waste of time--and that's why I think we need an "End-the-Fed" protest next year.

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    1. As always Richard, you make some fine points.

      I hope waiting till next year for those protests will not be too late.

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  7. kennyJune 17, 2012 12:35 PM

    I was referring more to those souls who cry their hearts out inwardly and fight outwardly and feel helpless against all injustices and believe me there are lots of them outside the US

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  8. John FriendJune 17, 2012 1:04 PM

    Our exchange about Hitler could have gone on forever. I hope you don't take this as an attack on you personally. I spent some 30 years of my adult life believing exactly what you now believe and as usual stubborn beliefs and emotions are often obstacles to real knowledge:

    "Belief is something which uses you, knowledge is something which you can use"

    I have a rough translation of a banned (world wide?) German book that would shatter your beliefs about Hitler. I could email it to you if you promise to study or translate it.

    My German is pretty bad (3 years) I have used all kind of translation tools but like the French say: " La Traduction est une trahison" (Translation is treason)

    The translations are incoherent to most readers which is the main reason I have not posted it online. My email:

    myself@london.com

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    1. Hey w, I don't take what you said as an attack on me personally! I appreciate and respect your opinion, even though we disagree on this subject!

      I took the exact opposite approach - I bought Jim Condit Jr's thesis right when I watched his DVD "The Final Solution to Adolf Hitler", or at least thought it was pretty solid based on all the books he cited. But I've since changed my mind, after taking a closer look at what Hitler and the NSDAP stood for, wrote about, and did. I recently read Hitler & Himmler Uncensored, put together by Veronica Clark, and that is what finally changed my mind. Read that speech he gave in that book. You can buy the book on Amazon for $10 or so. It's an amazing read. So is Mein Kampf. From my perspective, Hitler was a man who made serious moves against the bad guys, and yet he is so demonized and misunderstood, even in - or perhaps especially in - the "Truth" movement.

      OK, sorry kenny, I think I've made my points. Sorry for hijacking that last thread. :)

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    2. Why don't paint bin ladenstein as well as demonized and misunderstood as well? I am very disappointed in you, John. sigh.....

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    3. I trust, respect and support your academic findings John Friend.

      More power to you in your search for the truth.

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    4. "Turns out the Nazis were opposed to the private banking cartel. That's why they have been demonized and distorted -- among other reasons -- all these years. I'm not saying they were a great bunch of guys, no government is; however, the received history regarding that group is a distortion at best and an abominable and unholy lie at worst." Rocker

      The MSM and the 1% academia have demonized the German nationalists since WWII because the Germans actively opposed the zionist international banksters' control of their country.

      If the money changers are not stopped we will all be living in a zionist jew world order.

      Fact.

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    5. "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

      This truth pertains to all countries, including Greece.

      So far only Iceland has acted upon this serious warning.

      NOTHING CAN STOP AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME.

      End the privately owned central usury banks around the world.

      Almost all of the wars in the world will end simultaneously.

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    6. Thanks Mouser, I appreciate your comment.

      And musique, I'm not sure what you mean exactly... bin Laden was clearly a stooge who took the blame for 9/11. In fact, in an interview shortly after 9/11, he denied having any involvement, and pointed out who was really responsible: Israel and the international Jewish criminal network that largely controls America:

      http://zioncrimefactory.com/2012/05/25/osama-bin-laden-americans-are-slaves-of-the-jews/

      Hitler is certainly misunderstood and demonized, is he not?

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  9. THIS GREEK TRAGEDY SHOULD BE THE MORAL WORLD'S CROSSED LINE IN THE SAND BY ROTHSCHILD ZIONISTS IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO TOTAL GLOBAL CONTROL. THE SITUATION IS NOW BLATANT FASCISM BY THE ZIONIST JEWS AGAINST THE WHOLE WORLD.

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  10. Thank you for posting this important essay on usury. It goes to the heart of our problems. The Catholic Church has always condemned usury, but this teaching against usury was sidelined when the looting operation known as the Protestant Reformation happened. Islam today (which also teaches against usury) is roughly in the same position of Catholicism circa 1500's. See any pattern here, guys?

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  11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3PQXQdqwfs&list=PL8E0AE75D3C81059A&index=2&feature=plpp_video

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    1. What in God's name possessed NATO to bomb Libya?

      NATO is the Rothschilds' military arm. Qadaffi was issuing a gold Dinar which threatened the zionist international banksters' plan for a one world currency they issue and control.

      Follow the money.

      End the Fed. End the ECB. End the IMF.

      End all the private central usury banks in all countries - which are owned and controlled by the zionist international banksters.

      End this financial organised crime syndicate which is creating money out of thin air and lending it at interest to businesses and governments and thereby enslaving the entire world in perpetual debt slavery.

      There is never enough money lent out to cover the principal and the interest.

      That is why the zionist ponzi banking scheme is now imploding world wide.

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  12. Hi John,
    I believe you are correct in many ways about Hitler. But people aren't all good or all bad. He was selected and allowed to get into power by the financial elite, but, like Kennedy, decided to cut out the central banking scam while in office. From the bankers' perspective, this is the unforgiveable sin - not his slaughter of innocents, invasion of countries, etc. The "transfer agreement" proves that he didn't want to liquidate the jews, he wanted them expelled (first to Madagascar, then to Palestine).

    But the "jews" aren't a monolithic group. Some jews at the job of the food chain didn't mind killing/relocating/looting the majority of their co-religionists in order to create the state of Israel. The same people have been profiting from the "Holocaust Industry" whereas the actual survivors from the camps go hungry. The narrative of an actual holocaust is just a story, recycled from WWI, with many happy outcomes - from the Zionists' perspective - extracting every last cent from Germany, for one. In modern day Israel, you see hierarchical distribution of jews - some jews are better than others (e.g., ashkenazi vs ethiopian vs sephardic).

    I believe that your claim that all jews are culpable is preposterous, just on the face of it. You yourself are white - are you responsible for all the bad stuff that other whites do? From the perspective of many black/brown persons, you _are_ responsible for everything the jews did because you, like they, are perceived merely as "white." That perspective is due to outgroup homogeneity bias.

    That being said, I wish you all the best on your search for truth.

    EV

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    1. Interesting that Hitler wanted them tranferred to Palestine. Whose interests does that line up with?

      I tried to tell John this in another thread. There seem to be 2 major competing narratives of Hitler. Most evil man ever and great hero who did no wrong. Both extremes are wrong and taking either position is a trap in a sense. John fell into it. Hitler was a warmonger but certainly not the worst warmonger. Hero? Nope.

      Your comments on jews not being a monolithic group and not all of them being culpable will of course bring out the genuine racists and ADL moles in disguise to protest. You're obviously correct in your assessment.

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    2. Hitler a war-monger? Read what he wrote here, he wanted "work and peace" for his people in order to rebuild their country after being devastated in WWI and stabbed in the back as a result of the Versailles Treaty:

      http://archive.org/stream/TheNewGermanyDesiresWorkAndPeace/Ngwp01#page/n5/mode/2up

      Or here, in his last testament:

      It is untrue that I or anyone else in Germany wanted war in 1939. It was wanted and provoked solely by international statesmen either of Jewish origin or working for Jewish interests. I have made too many offers for the limitation and control of armaments, which posterity will not be cowardly enough always to disregard, for responsibility for the outbreak of this war to be placed on me. Nor have I ever wished that, after the appalling First World War, there would ever be a second against either England or America. Centuries will go by, but from the ruins of our towns and monuments the hatred of those ultimately responsible will always grow anew against the people whom we have to thank for all this: international Jewry and its henchmen.

      Hitler was not responsible for the war, he sought to avoid it at all costs. He knew it would be devastating for his plans to rebuild Germany. He recognized the fundamental injustices in the Versailles Treaty, and wanted to reverse them.

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    3. Hi EV, I think you make some good points, but I disagree with you on some key issues. You write:

      "He was selected and allowed to get into power by the financial elite, but, like Kennedy, decided to cut out the central banking scam while in office."

      Hitler worked his ass off, dedicating his entire life basically to build up the NSDAP and win over large segments of the German public. It took him years to get to where he eventually was in 1933. It's not as if he was selected by the "bankers" out of the blue one day. In fact, he wasn't funded by the bankers at all. See here:

      http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2011/volume_3/number_3/demystification_of_the_birth_of_the_nsdap.php

      That article clears a lot of these misconceptions up about how Hitler gained power, who funded him, ect. It was a grassroots effort by and large, and he had to work hard to finally achieve his goal of gaining political power, and even then was being stabbed in the back by factions in Germany (communists, the traditional Prussia elite, elements in the military, ect.) and of course outside of Germany. Remember, the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, and sought the total destruction of the German people! Google "Germany must perish" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

      You also write:

      "I believe that your claim that all jews are culpable is preposterous, just on the face of it."

      When have I ever said that? I am saying specifically that organized Jewry is the problem, and that the Jewish religion is fundamentally supremacist in nature and it's ultimate goal is world domination. Individual Jews may or may not be on board with this criminal conspiracy. But sadly, most of them are, or go along with it, because they benefit from it.

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    4. John, so he SAID he wanted peace? WOW! Who did he invade again? You gonna justify that? Really?

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    5. John,
      1) Since when does working hard get one into office? He may have worked hard and concluded that hard work got him in, but that doesn't mean it's true.
      2) As for Hitler's last writings, I'm a tad worried that you're using them as the basis to evaluate his life and motives. It's deeds not words you ought to focus on.
      3) Or "deeds not creeds." Judaism probably is a scam disguised as religion; in that respect, it is no different that most other popular religions. I've come to the conclusion that that is the purpose of religion - it's a swindle. If a human is doing the interpreting, then watch out. Some are worse than others (e.g., the Jehovah's Witness cult is clearly a ponzi scheme).

      Plus, you can never really understand someone's motives. I highly doubt that the upper-tier evil doers are religious, and plenty of religious people are fine, upstanding folk.

      So we may have to agree to disagree. But at least you're willing to put your ideas out there and discuss this stuff, which is highly commendable in and of itself.

      Regards,
      EV

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    6. Hi EV, yeah it does appear we will have to agree to disagree. And that's fine, no disrespect to you or anyone else who doesn't agree with my perspective. Honestly, I think if you really delved into this matter you would understand and agree with my conclusions.

      That being said, I always appreciate your insights and comments here and on my blog, you are a real truth seeker and an honest person. Those are two qualities sorely lacking these days.

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    7. Thanks, John!

      It's important to unearth the truth about events - you can argue 'til the cows come home about Hitler's motivations, but focusing on behaviors is more fruitful. Showing, for example, that the H-o-caust is fake gives you more bang for the buck. Same with 9/11 - hammer home the evidence of who did it. Same with the USS Liberty. And on and on. Getting caught up in unwinnable arguments seems a waste of your talent/time.
      EV

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    8. The one truth you could get a lot of mileage on is how central banks operate - spread that truth and we'd have a genuine revolution. That is also the most important issue on which you and Hitler agreed. Anyone can be made to see how ludicrous it is for a gov't to pay a private entity to create money - money that any gov't can create itself --loan it to the gov't, and pay interest on the money. And undercutting that operation really does get to the heart of evil in this world. -EV

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  13. YOU WOULD CALL US,,,GOY?
    Laughing at you Israel.

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    1. You would call us "beasts"?
      Laughing at YOU Israhell.

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    2. Scotland 10 - israel 0June 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM

      Tynecastle, Scotland:

      Israel's women soccer team continually booed with calls to end apartheid by fans.

      http://leftwing-christian.net/2012/06/18/israeli-football-team-booed-in-scotland.aspx?ref=rss

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  14. http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2012/06/david-duke-outrageous-racist-hypocrisy.html

    Noor's latest David Duke video about zionism and israel is all true.

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    1. Too bad he blames muslims for 9/11 when its so damn obvious it was mostly Israelis and jews who did it.

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  15. Sirhan Sirhan
    DC shooter 'mohamed'
    Ft. Hood muslim shooter
    the guy who shot the Pope
    the 911 '19'
    the London 7/7 patsies
    the 1st WTC bombers

    Gee, I wonder who's behind this shit?
    did I leave anyone out?

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    1. Oswald
      Breivik

      Answer: Israel

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    2. Anders Breivik killed a bunch of kids who were in solidarity with the Palestinians. Yes, Jamie is a hasbara troll.

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    3. apropos of nothing, Kenny, here is another free pdf book:

      http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/15-loth.pdf

      here's where I got that book, plus pdfs of a book, Air Photo Evidence, by John C. Ball:

      http://germarrudolf.com/2012/05/air-photo-evidence/

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    4. anon @ 4:49. Thanks for the links. Typical for me the pdf would not complete a download. A search also found a couple of other places but they would not work either.

      This one did.

      http://vho.org/dl/ENG/loth.pdf

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    5. okay, Kenny, but the link you posted is to the earlier version of the book.

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  16. usury also results in an inversion of 'value', the one thing of true value is your physical work. but in society -wheeling dealing trumps physical work. wanna break the system? have a general strike

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  17. usury, it's not just for Sunday-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-8AR7XQ2K4&feature=plcp

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    1. Everyday is Sunday - Ian Morrissey

      Trudging slowly over wet sand
      Back to the bench where your clothes were stolen
      This is the coastal town
      That they forgot to close down
      Armageddon - come Armageddon!
      Come, Armageddon! Come!

      Everyday is like Sunday
      Everyday is silent and grey

      Hide on the promenade
      Etch a postcard :
      "How I Dearly Wish I Was Not Here"
      In the seaside town
      ...that they forgot to bomb
      Come, Come, Come - nuclear bomb

      Everyday is like Sunday
      Everyday is silent and grey

      Trudging back over pebbles and sand
      And a strange dust lands on your hands
      (And on your face...)
      (On your face ...)
      (On your face ...)
      (On your face ...)

      Everyday is like Sunday
      "Win Yourself A Cheap Tray"
      Share some greased tea with me
      Everyday is silent and grey

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  18. ...like a bad Acid trip at a Carnival.
    ...They did teach us to nip Tyranny in the bud when detected, back in the 60's.
    ...Am truly sorry, for my Epic Fail.
    ...I was only 13

    ...she gives me water.
    Quasimodo 2012

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  19. Hitlers jewish roots?

    http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2111#comment-42973

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    1. No, Hitler did not have Jewish roots.

      http://carolynyeager.net/fake-legends-adolf-hitler%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cjewish-grandfather%E2%80%9D

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    2. Jewish or not(and Yeager proves NOTHING there) hes still a warmonger. You cant dispute it. You rightly criticize the warmongers of today but show love for Hitler? Rank hypocrisy. Or something worse.

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  20. spinolia, yaegar, and weber all spin germany as the victim of ww2, i'm not buyin

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