Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Tall Whites

The story of the 'tall whites' has been making the rounds over the last week. It started with the Sorcha Faal/CIA disinfo site, got picked up by Iran's FARS news agency (why was that?) and then paraded through the mockingbird media including Forbes, Haaretz, HuffPo, Washington Post and many others. Attributed to a Snowden 'leak' and backed up by Paul Hellyer, former minister of Defense of Canada at Russia Today.

Basically the story was planted to discredit Iran but is there more to the 'tall whites' than meets the MSM eye?

It begins with the interpretations of some regarding the Sumerian  texts which are the oldest or among the oldest writings we have access to even though when written down the stories may actually have gone back hundreds of thousands of years.

As the science of the origins of humans leaves many gaps in understanding and as the plagiarized 'religious' writings such as the Old Testament are being scrutinized by more and more, there is an opening for other explanations. Many will argue that extraterrestrial manipulations of the human race and history are only the new myths that are replacing the old ones. One will have to come to their own conclusions if so inclined.

At the moment one of my favorites in discussing our origins and history is Wes Penre at WesPenre.com. Penre insists that you don't take his word for everything, do your own research, which is good advice. His writings are extensive and go much further than the history including solutions for our present day predicaments. The 'tall whites' are also part of the history.

Penre uses Sitchin as a starting point but is not afraid to offer some criticisms of his work including that he had his own agenda or was being used.
Zecharia Sitchin (1920-2010) was a Russian linguist and author (later a New York resident), who took on as his life mission to translate the old Sumerian clay tablets. I am not going to go into much details here about how Sitchin came to his conclusions, as this can be studied elsewhere, but in general, he found that about 450,000 years ago an advanced race of creator gods came to Earth from their home planet, Nibiru (NI.BI.RU.), or Ša.A.M.e. in their own language (pronounced: shaamae; "to cut or break /creation/red ocher + watery father + office/ideal norm", in the Ša.A.M.e. language, Anemegir, having nearly identical meanings in Sumerian as well). According to Sitchin's translations, they didn't originally come here as settlers, but to dig gold and minerals, something that Earth was (and still is) rich on. 
With time, this space-bound warrior race decided to use the existing primates as slaves in their mines and started an additional genetic manipulation of the early humans. The Sumerians, who left accounts of their myth inscribed on cuneiform tablets some 5,000 years ago, tell a spectacular story of these "gods" who came down and ruled over them. Not only do these tablets tell their present time story, but they also told the story of their own creation, and how the gods arrived on Earth and manipulated the DNA of early humans. Apparently, these stories were taught to the Sumerian people by this warrior race and go back about 450,000 years in time. Even today, these stories (and more) are passed down to a few initiates into the Mystery Schools and secret societies around the world. As we shall see, this species is equivalent to the biblical Fallen Angels and Nephilim.

Zecharia Sitchin has been accused of many things, from being a complete fraud who's making it all up, or being a government disinformation agent, a shape-shifting reptilian, part of the establishment because he went to a famous university, and more. But at the end of the day, his translations and conclusions are surviving the winds of time. Of course, he was human, and was not always right (who is?), but he did a good job in helping us understand our past. And not only can we see the effects today from what the Sumerians wrote on their clay tablets and thus see that this is not a fable. Sitchin did the best he could with what he had at his convenience. I'm convinced about it.

However, just because he did an outstanding job translating the tablets doesn't mean that the tablets were totally accurate. I have reasons to believe that on some accounts, the scribes, who wrote down what's on the cuneiform tablets, were not always told the truth by those who dictated them, the Anunnaki. Scholars and others may object and say that these tablets were not written by one person, and not everything was dictated, so that doesn't hold water, but it does. Most probably, the present time which the Sumerians were depicting in clay was most certainly correct from their point of view, but the past history of Earth, seen from their present, was to some extent altered to more fit into certain agendas, planned by a faction, and sometimes most of the Anunnaki themselves. We know for a fact that Marduk Ra changed the Earth history at least once, and Ningishzidda (Thoth) probably did, too, and there were more... Still, they didn't bother keeping their own struggle with each other off the record, clearly showing the character of many of these beings. On the other hand, they probably had little choice, because the humans knew how they were.

Despite this fact, Sitchin's version is a must-read if we want to know our own true history and our origins. This alien species had reasons to edit out and change a few things, because they also knew that those from the home planet would return to Earth one day, and they had to prepare humanity for this, so that their arrival would be as smooth as possible. More

As previously stated in another post, all of this is an exercise in entertaining thoughts without necessarily accepting them. The star beings as creator 'gods' story is swirled in disinfo and misinfo. It is not a subject to blindly hang one's hat on in any particular area. What we do know is that the whole truth of our origins are not be found via checkbook journalism, checkbook science or checkbook religions. It is far deeper than we can imagine. Haven't humans always asked "Where do we come from" and "Why are we here."

Another thing we do know is that in our recent history we have seen the looting and destruction of Babylonian archeological sites in Iraq by our own troops. This was probably done by design. Is there a concerted effort to hide certain facts about our history? Not only in Iraq but also in Egypt, Syria and throughout the Middle East and the rest of the world?
In a report found on the British Museum’s website in London entitled An Assessment of Archaeological Sites in June 2008: The Iraqi-British Project, you’ll find references to this “damage from looting” that the British Museum seeks to address. They specifically call out damage from looting and neglect—and those exposed sites must be protected by new, invading, evil forces, I suppose. New fences have to be built, buildings have to be repaired because of their ‘deteriorated condition.’ Well, yeah…anything that old would be deteriorated, and repairs would have to be conducted after the military filled sand bags with artifacts. Is funding needed because repairs from internal forces have torn apart Sumerian holy sites, or is funding needed because tracks have to be covered? 

The meeting discussing these things at the museum was attended by Major-General Barney White-Spunner, who was informed of a need to ‘protect’ these Sumerian landmarks. This just bothers me, as it is the military which has seemingly done the most damage—not looters. In addition, it is the British Museum itself which has the massive collections of Sumerian artifacts and actively hire researchers to review and restore the findings—to me, this is an example of a ‘darkening’ force, especially when only select findings are shared with the public—those that say little, or next to nothing.

As a result, it is no stretch of the imagination to see this in two ways: the intentions of British Museum officials and the US/British military are genuine, mistakes were made, and they need to rectify those mistakes and request funding to do so. Or…their intentions are double-speak, and the damage that has been committed is their own fault as they sought to perform certain rites of passage for some other higher force. To me, it seems that governments are there to protect the truth of man’s origins at all costs instead of clue them in on those origins. Keep the people ignorant. Hide the smoking guns. How? By sending in the messy people, the foragers, and then the cleanup people--all performed on behalf of a higher power through the fundings of the taxpayer public who receive no direct benefit. Why? For what purpose?   

This is not just our story being told, folks. Ours has been infected by an outside intelligence which is 50% fabricated on a much higher level. They hand us our language, our truths, our myths, our knowledge, our money. We thus cannot form a thought without the use of their tools. They hand us our tales, our awards, our organs, our genetic development, and keep the secret keys to the collapse themselves. Our bodies seem to be intentionally designed to reproduce, to work, and to provide a filtration system to handle our addictive tendencies as we smash our heads against the walls of our prison. They medicate our consciousness to keep us here. Furthermore, the lessons our bodies try to teach us are meant to confuse, and like a deer in headlights, once you are confused, there is no escape. Hence we feel someone isn’t being “logical” enough or “emotional” enough, or practical enough, or impractical enough. We divide our thoughts, ourselves, but do not conquer. They conquer using the division of us that we stupidly try to emulate…them, with their inbred network of puristic family trees. More

Protect the truth and dish out little morsels to keep us confused, divided and conquered? Sounds like a plan to me. From the earliest of days our origins and true nature have been kept and passed on by secret societies. The knowledge wasn't for the slaves, only for those who want to rule over us...and they have fairly well succeeded. The internet has put a dent in their armor but only if we can wade through the BS and of course if we can keep the free flow of information continuing.

Back to Penre...
It’s easier to see darkness and evil in someone else than it is to confront that we all carry those traits inside, alongside our human friendliness and benevolence. I would go so far as to say that the incapability to see our own faults and shortcomings have led to the situation we are facing today with authoritarian governments, a failed economy, war, famine, manufactured diseases, incest in high places, rape of women and children, and so on. It’s become a very solid trap, and ever since that time in the ancient past when it all started, mankind has done very little to free themselves from the master-slave situation that is still prominent on this planet. Instead, we have accepted that we are slaves and a working force for a small clique of super-wealthy people—an unelected power elite who runs the show behind the scenes. We have also forgotten that above this level of manipulation are the cosmic visitors themselves, pulling the strings on those who are selected by them to control the rest of us.
What we can see and perceive, however, are the huge corporations and what they do to us and our planet. We can also see (if we choose to) the international bankers who keep us on a tightrope with great help from the moneymaking multimillion dollar corporations that benefit the few and make billionaires, while most of the population is on the brink of starvation and poverty. We can also see (again, if we choose to) how we are all used in a system where we have to work ourselves to illness and exhaustion in order to make the owners of the big corporations wealthier and even more powerful. We can see how governments, for their own personal, often financial, gains start wars in other countries, killing thousands, even millions of innocent people, while the super-rich again become wealthier by creating this giant war machine. We can see the unfairness in all this—nevertheless, we agree to play their game. Why is that? Why are we putting up with it when statistics show that even here in America we are a million to one against a small clique of powerful super-rich families?

It is because the families in power, and the AIF {Alien Invasion Force} above them, keep the population in fear and terror. People are afraid to look outside the box because they are scared that they will be punished for it in one way or the other by the authorities and maybe become unable to survive on their own. Ultimately, they are afraid of death, something the Elite knows and, therefore, keep us in the dark when it comes to what happens after we die. 

Only by confronting the darkness inside of us can we free ourselves from such an immense, negative power. After all, the AIF and its minions, the Illuminati or the Global Elite (whatever we want to call them), are not the real problem. They wouldn’t even be able to do what they are doing without our consent, so the responsibility comes back on us. If we want a change, we have to create it because no one else will. This is way too much for most people to comprehend and deal with—therefore, the majority of the population gives away their power to others, who they hope will fix the situation—be it cults, religions, alien saviors coming down from the sky, or the next door neighbor. We may outnumber the slave masters by a million to one, but fighting them is still not an option. If the reader doesn’t believe me, look at our history. People have tried many times to stand up against the Beast, only to have been defeated, resulting in the death of many good people. No, the actual solution is to look at the Inner Universe, which this book will not only show, but also prove. There is no other way to achieve real inner peace and freedom from oppression. More

OK, by now I'm sure many of you think I've lost my mind but if I have, it happened decades ago. Asking these questions is nothing new and at the least it makes more sense than the tribal 'god' story of the chosen ones. We quit entertaining those thoughts when we were very young. No doubt some will say that the extraterrestrial aspects of our existence is nothing more than diversion away from the tribe, who do occupy key positions in the control mechanisms.

At the worst we've been entertained by a new myth that came out of old ones and continued a human tradition.

Epic Of Gilgamesh‎

The Origins of Human Beings According to Sumerian Texts

Sacred Texts: Sumerian

A Series of Essays by Sasha Lessin, Ph.D (UCLA Anthropology )
from Enki Speaks
Tellinger, Michael: "Slave Species of Gods"
Origin of Life and Man

 Barely scratching the surface.....

hat tip to Visible for his mention of the 'tall whites' and causing me to go down this rambling rabbit hole.....

The origins of hu
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The origins of human beings according to ancient Sumerian texts - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-folklore/origins-human-beings-according-ancient-sumerian-texts-0065#sthash.5xEY8CjH.dpuf


  1. Very interesting and you may have guessed an area I look into myself. You know the first thing someone will throw out is well Sitichin was a Jew. That is very true but then there are some discussions indicating he put out too much information to suit some Jews. There are other Jews who go well and beyond trying to discredit Sitchin like Michael Heisler, I believe that is correct.

    I certainly have found some inconsistencies in Sitchin but overall it is still pretty close. The eastern temples refer to Antu as the male and Anu as the female. I once met a Chinese girl named Anu.

    For me personally after reading some 15 books written by Sitchin it is very difficult to see that the majority of the work is not pretty close. I am pretty sure that initially the "all seeing eye" was simply a reference to the pineal gland. It goes back way before Egypt however to MU. I like Penre also. If we don't know where we came from it is hard to know where we are going.

    The tall whites by the way are categorized in China as there are 8 to 9 foot tall mummies there with blue eyes and blonde hair. They were most likely intermingled with the current Chinese gene pool.

    There is also an interesting piece by a researcher who claims the underwater pyramids in the Azores are 28 million years old.

    For those who don't have time to read 15 or 20 of Sitchin's books I have paraphrased a little bit of it.




    1. I agree that Sitchin probably skewed some things due to his jewish background and associations. Velinkosky too. We'll just take what they have, try to discern and move on to more research and thoughts.

      Rumors are that the Vatican, museums and maybe some private collections are holding the good stuff from us to keep the status quo intact. I wouldn't doubt it.

      "If we don't know where we came from it is hard to know where we are going." A basic truth.

  2. I agree the vatican and the British museum are loaded with stuff nobody has ever seen. They claim they looted artifacts from the grand canyon from a cave that had Egyptian artifacts and all types of goodies.

    The mideast is not the only place we hear tall tails of giants however.

    This was fascinating stuff to me.


  3. Lawdy
    I am just getting around to Sorchaa's take on this. The dark cabal must have 10 million agents writing on this very subject. I think the agenda is to make it sound so unbelievable it is very easy to categorize anyone who talks about it as some type tinfoil/conspiracy type. In the end they don't really want it discussed at all and if it is, in very surreal terms.

    One thing I will throw in however is the sumerian clay tablets show very clear pics of the solar system, planets and the sun as well as rocket ships. Bear in mind that 200 years ago in the west they were pumping the theory that the earth was flat. Calculus was also stolen from the Vedic scholars in India as well as many other things and the Brits patented it. In fact Constantine studied in India before he whipped up what is now known as the bible. Not saying there was no Jesus however and many in India insist he was there and there is ample documentation in the temples of this.

  4. This is an area where much confusion has been sown. One stickling point and Penre points this out, is:

    This goal has been planned away from the public, in
    secrecy within Secret Societies. Most Secret Societies with
    secret grades of initiation are these days controlled by this
    malevolent Illuminati cabal, and Freemasonry is perhaps
    the best known of them all. Although Freemasonry and a
    few other secret societies were not created by the Puppet
    Masters, they have been infiltrated over time and there are
    very few unique ones left that are actually working
    against the Power Bloodlines."

    When you see someone say the elites have always been in control from day one, you know you are conversing with someone who is just coining a line they have seen on the internet. It is not true. Infiltrated is the key word here.

    I would suggest to take special note of Sumerian manuscripts indicating how the growing of grain, Kingship, the sciences, all agriculture seeds and plants were brought to Sumer from some place else. There was music dancing and even beer making. The point being that all and my opinion most of the Nefilim were not evil. In fact things seemed to be going well until various families began being killed off in various palace coups. Kingship was infiltrated. We see the same things going on today. The native Americans are very fond of those they call the Gods and indicate they were taught the basics of survival on earth by them.

    Penre takes it from various people with what I would refer to as cosmic consciousness, that Sitchin is correct for the most part. I agree. Penre however makes statements such as "that is what the Annunaki want us to believe, that is where I veer off. The Annunaki are similar to us, in other words both good and bad. Everyone here today is a descendant of the Annunaki and their genetic experiments. That is my view. I do agree there are people here from varying star systems that were placed here. This is where the struggle for power comes from.

    Where they all came from over the aeons can be very mind boggling as you can see here thumbing through Gary Zeitlin's site. He worked on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence at Berkley. He also has read much of Sitchin's works.


    Things really break bad when we get to the old testament and Ea is supposed to be Satan etc. This where the train begins going off the rails. Enki if are to believe the sumerian epic was creating a race to do the hard lifting and mine gold, which various stories indicate was used for seeding the atmosphere, however in the Mahabharata they indicate the flying ships used it for fuel, so who knows.

    Enki did not provide the gene for long life and in the tablets it is pointed out even earthlings taken back to Nibiru did not live long and Annunaki who had been on planet earth did not live as long when they went back to Nibiru. It was discussed whether it was against planetary law to interfere with other worlds and make slaves. Enki said they will not be slaves, only our helpers, they would evolve into us anyway, we are just speeding them up a few million years.

    The serpent is not evil, it is the symbol for the spirit or sexual energy traveling up the spine into the pineal gland which is a practice of the science of yoga for aeons.

    Then he does delve into the Hebrews beginning to follow yahweh, who was simply one of the rogue Nefilim who was very war like. He was no God at all. His mannerism could certainly be compared to lucifer.

    Some passages begin to make sense after awhile. Things like Methusaleh who took a 300 year nap. Could be entirely possible with a much longer life span than the earthling. Everything in the bible is not false, just jumbled up to fit the needs of Constantine.

    1. You should find this interesting, regarding the Old Testament:

      Who Wrote the Bible?


  5. There is another dead giveaway in the Sumerian Epics. The idea that those without a fore skin are more like the Gods! Think about it, that is probably why circumcision is going on today.

    “The baby, Adamu [One Who’s Like Earth’s Clay], looked like a dark red blood-colored, black-haired Nibiru child in every way except his penis. “They looked at its malehood; odd was its shape, by a skin was its forepart surrounded, unlike that of Anunnaki malehood it was. ’Let the Earthling from us Anunnaki by this foreskin be distinguished.’ So was Enki saying.” [Sitchin, op. cit. page 139]“

  6. Just happened to look over on your side bar at this piece by Noor. Ashkenazi are gentiles with no cohen gene and many palestinians have this gene which is supposed to be ancient Hebrew royalty.


    Well if you have ever read Michael Tsarion it is exactly what he puts forth. In ancient times the Irish were in Palestine and migrated to the British Isles. The current Palestinians are heavily mixed with Irish genes.


    The ashkenazi are from southern Europe.

    (Of course what constitutes civilization is in the eye of the beholder) I still leaning to the indians myself! :)

  7. Been studying history and prophecy for over 20 years. One reason the bible (translations) have been bashed and misaligned is interpretating jews as the people of the book. Very few define terms. When you learn, have revelation and come to understand that hebrew, israelite and jew are NOT synonomous, new vistas open up. There are several jewish writers including 1909(?) jewish encyclopedia who attest to the fact that jews as we know them today are not israelites. The word jew does not even enter scripture until over 800 years after Abraham. The truth is very narrow indeed as many of the people in the world come from various lineages written about. Jacob and Esau were fighting in the womb and the battle is still raging with each of their descendants today. There are myriads of writings proving the anglo saxon, germanic, scandinavian and celtic people are direct literal and lineal offspring of Jacob-Israel. Esau mixed with forbidden families and the offspring has produced much of the world ills. Chasing after castles in spain, ie.who or what is "controlling" the world economically, socially, religiously is by divine design. Covenanted vs non-covenanted people. God is the chief button pusher and to learn of this perfectly placed plan is very liberating. Otherwise babylonian confusion rules (your) the day. Is the big blue marble really spinning out of control or is the true God allowing present evil (keeping esau-edom on a short leash) to bring the servant people to their senses? Search anglo israelism, christian identity etc...there are a few good teachers, many books, articles to further understanding. "it is the duty of kings to search out the matter" Proverbs Otherwise living in egyptian darkness can be frustrating. The truth shall make you free..Jesus (The kinsmen redeemer, Hebrew NOT JEW of the tribe of Judah)

    1. Who are you?

      How did you come to learn the truth.

    2. Hey Carol, It's very difficult to comment at your place and the updates on the blogroll are slow but I wanted to say I enjoyed your latest 'old' post as most of us didn't see it the first time around. Thanks

    3. Hey Kenny,

      Yep that tribal finger which is hovering n twitching right over the giant internet kill switch is somehow creating a short circuit that has blocked my comment boards for months now ... ;-)

      As you know bad things only happen when you say the truth. AP at Twelfth Bough and you are right. At least there are still some of us out here with some integrity left. Thank you for all the support and kind words - I write this now in case there is not much time left to say it out loud.


  8. In line with what Dublinmick added, this dude makes constant references to spacemen in Indian anthropology. His blog is worthy of inclusion in your list (for that reason, if not others, as his writings are certain to rub everyone the wrong way in one way or another, though indeed an interesting read).

  9. Sorry, but I have another offer for your blogroll. I'm sure I originally found it here, perhaps in your comment section.

  10. One aspect of the Sitchin stories that strikes me the most is the ETs coming to Earth in search for gold they needed to save their planet's atmosphere. They used the (our) indigenous population as worker bees to mine the gold, turn it into dust and spray it into their skies.

    Apparently, we were not that bad looking at the time and interbreeding occurred on a small scale (tongue in cheek). Which accounts for the bloodlines of our current manipulators. The rest are still what they used to be: slaves.

    Fast forward to today and the geo-engineering of our skies and weather. Are todays chemtrails the gold dust of old meant to preserve living conditions on this earth? And who and what is to live? Seems like the metals being sprayed and the ever increasing radiation are not conducive to biological life.

    And, I submit we are biological beings on first inspection. Now if we could only find our real selves. I don't think the transhumanist agenda is going to help with that.

    1. The similarities between the old tale of seeding a planet's atmosphere with gold and the chemtrails of today have long been in the back of my mind. I'm with you that spraying of aluminum and other particles does not appear to be in our biological best interests.

  11. I recently read several articles by Andrew Collins, including this one:

    The Genesis Secret


    The Story of the Watchers

    I wrote that the story of the Watchers is in fact the memory of a priestly or shamanic elite, a group of highly intelligent human individuals, that entered the Upper Euphrates region from another part of the ancient world sometime around the end of the last Ice Age, c. 11,000-10,000 BC. On their arrival in what became known as the land or kingdom of Eden (a term actually used in the Old Testament), they assumed control of the gradually emerging agrarian communities, who were tutored in a semi-rural life style centred around agriculture, metal working and the rearing of animal live stock. More disconcertingly, these people were made to venerate their superiors, i.e. the Watchers, as living gods, or immortals.

    A Clue in Albinism

    I am sure people will ask me about some of Sean's assumptions in his book regarding the origins of the Watchers. All I can say is that in my opinion accounts of the Watchers from so-called Enochian literature, the earliest forms of which were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, tend to suggest that at least some of their number bore physical traits resembling those of tall albinos with long, serpentine faces, penetrating eyes, long wiry, white hair and skin as white as snow but also as red as a rose. It is even suggested that the Watchers might have used oils in order to protect their sensitive skin from the affects of direct sunlight, another common trait of albinos.
    This said, if in the past, albinism was seen as a special or mystical trait in humans, whereby (as was the case in parts of Africa in the past) albino children were set aside at birth, removed from their parents and trained as priests or shamans, then it is possible that elite groups of shamans could have contained a high proportion of individuals with such striking characteristics...

    It is possible that groups of shamans, including individuals with distinctive albino features, were forced to migrate from one part of the ancient world to another at the end of the last Ice Age due, perhaps, to severe climatic upheavals (caused perhaps by a comet fragmentation, c. 11,000-10,000 BC, a matter I discuss in two books Gateway to Atlantis, 2000, and the new book Beneath the Pyramids). If so, then their entry into a foreign territory, such as Upper Mesopotamia, where the Palaeolithic hunter gatherers might have been, say, shorter with dark features and more rounded heads, could have led to this shamanistic group of individuals commanding instant recognition as social and/or religious leaders with virtual otherworldly qualities. An acceptance of their assigned rank might have been compounded not simply by their strange appearance and apparent difference in height, but also by their existing knowledge of life skills, such as agriculture, metal working and other forms of primitive technology, such as lapidary, ceramics, stone construction, and the manufacture of drugs and alcohol, beer in particular. It is thus possible that the Watchers used this situation to their advantage, perpetuating the belief that they were quite literally divine beings, the same stance adopted by the first Europeans to encounter native peoples of the Americas. In this manner the incoming Watchers, as they became known, were able to more easily control the emerging population of the Near East through fear, respect and total domination. In this manner, the memory of the Watchers has survived in ancient texts, such as the book of Enoch, as the sudden appearance of a race or gods, angels or immortals that came out of nowhere and revealed to mortal kind the forbidden arts and science of Heaven.

    Read the rest:


    1. That's very interesting but still leaves us with many questions.

      " As to where their advanced knowledge and wisdom might have come from, the answer is, I suspect, otherworldly journeys using shamanic flight, something clearly indicated by the astral nature of the art found at these proto-Neolithic cult centres, which is predominantly avian in nature."

      I can't discount that quote but one could probably say it is just as sensationalist as Sitchin and others. It does imply a multi-dimensional existence.

      He mentions Atlantis and that goes along with the idea that there have been cycles of advanced civilizations with some survivors moving to other locations after a cataclysmic demise of their home.

      So much to learn and speculate on. Thanks for another input.

    2. Yes, there is a lot to speculate on. No single source of information can be expected to get everything right, even if they are sincerely interested in uncovering the facts. The best we can do is keep an open mind, consider different points of view, and try to determine what are the most likely explanations.

  12. Certainly sage advice No More Myths, keep an open mind.


    "Apparently, we were not that bad looking at the time and interbreeding occurred on a small scale (tongue in cheek).'"

    Sitchin's translations of the Enuma Elish do not say that. It is very explicit the Neflim were mining the gold themselves and they found it very difficult, there were mutanies and it was decided to create a slave class. They took a beast described as already upon the earth, (yeti, abominable snowman, ape, manu etc and they used artificial insemination to produce what today is known as the twelve tribes as the Nefilim themselves apparently were of different races. They experimentation was touch and go and led to misses such as we see in Greek mythology as men who were half horse and half man, the centaur. When you keep reading Sitchin, I am telling you it begins to make sense. Don't go down to the seven eleven however and announce to the locals you want to talk to them about the Annunaki! :)

    I hate to say it but most Americans now have an extremely degraded state of consciousness and lack inquiry.

  13. I meant to add, the mutiny of the Nefilim mining the gold is also very much the same in the Atra Hassis. and other things mentioned such as finding the created worker women attractive.

    One thing that did not square up with Penre was his referring to Inanna as an Enlilite. That is not what Sitchin comes up with at all. She went to war with the Enlilites, she was an ally of Enki, who was Enlil's brother. She was defeated by Ninurta, the son of Enlil and it is all described in very great detail in a book called wars between Gods and Men by Sitchin.

    I was looking at site yesterday where some guy was mentioning new evidence about burns on Giza that appeared as if there was a war or explosion there. Duh, it is all in Sitchin's translations concerning the pyramid wars. I have found over the years if you read them, you will begin to see our so called "great researchers" don't want to find answers, they simply wan to keep researching.

  14. Now assuming the above is true, and we originated in a prehistoric creature's womb, using the genes of the Nefilim, then we are the Nefilim. It gives new meaning to the old saying you see all over the internet. .... "we are the ones we have been waiting for!" :)

  15. http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_zeitlin_uk.htm

    This is an interview I always keep handy with Zeitlin of the open SETI group. You might find it interesting.

    1. Open SETI has a world of information. There's so much I haven't gone through yet.

      Another one is...


      "The best thing for being sad,” replied Merlyn, beginning to puff and blow, “is to learn something. That is the only thing that never fails. You may grow old and trembling in your anatomies, you may lie awake at night listening to the disorder of your veins, you may miss your only love, you may see the world about you devastated by evil lunatics, or know your honour trampled in the sewers of baser minds. There is only one thing for it then — to learn. Learn why the world wags and what wags it. That is the only thing which the mind can never exhaust, never alienate, never be tortured by, never fear or distrust, and never dream of regretting.”
      - T. H. White, The Once and Future King

  16. As someone mentioned, I have several links to the captain, adjit I have posted, and yes he can be cantankerous.


    This is a pretty good break down on the writing of the bible.


    The popular history of churchianity begins from 325 years after Christ, the 20th year of the reign of Constantine the Great, when the famous Council was convened at the City of Nocea. Those who have read the life of this august Roman Emperor will remember how remarkable was the character of this so called pious supporter of the church dogmas. He put to death his own son and his wife Fausta on groundless suspicion, cut off his brother-in-law Licinius and the unoffending son of Licinius and massacred everyone of his rivals. Nevertheless the Greek Church has canonized him, and adores the memory of St. Constantine.

    It was Constantine the Great who issued a decree in 321 A.D., for the general observance of Sunday, instead of the Jewish Sabbath. He hated the Jews and everything connected with the Jews, and said: "This day shall be regarded as a special occasion of prayer, because it is the Sun’s day, the day of our Lord". Since that time, the church has accepted that decree, ignoring the fact that this was the day for the worship of the sun among the pagans.

    It was Constantine the great who decided what should be the creed of the church and commanded the assembled bishops to receive the decrees of the Council of Nicea as the dictates of the Holy Spirit. Since that time the church has given authenticity to that creed, which is repeated almost every Sunday in all the orthodox churches in Christendom.

    The horrifying accounts of fraud, political wire pulling, theological jugglery, ecclesiastical scandal-mongering, passions breaking forth into curses and anathemas, bloody massacres and inhuman assassinations in the ecumenical councils, show that these were the principal instruments in the building up of the creed of Churchianity. Readers of ecclesiastical history will remember that in one of the disputes following the great Council of Nicea, maidens were insulted and scourged, the holy temple was profaned, books were thrown into flames, and the church and baptistery were burned and monks were trodden under foot. Such were the deeds of the pious bishops and founders of Churchianity.

    In the Council of Ephesus, which was held in 431 A.D., monks and bishops screamed: "Whoso speaks of two natures is a Nestorius, and let him be cut asunder". A bishop was kicked to death by another bishop in course of their arguments, and 137 corpses were left in a church to attest the convincing reasons by which the most ruffian side proved its orthodoxy.

    1. Here's some more information:

      Ten Beautiful Lies About Jesus


      Christianity Examined


  17. The ATRAHASIS - Tablet I stands up well with Sitchin. (pardon for screwing up the spelling earlier, I was in a hurry)


    One thing that made me laugh out loud was Zeitlin referring to David Icke as one who comes from a very ordinary style of consciousness. I think I would like this guy if I ever met him. :)

    Anyway love these type discussions

    You know it is kind of funny, many of the twelve tribes created, all have different attributes but all kind of view themselves as the uppermost. The Jews talk about the chosen people, the nordics will tell you every time they were the master race, even the indians refer to themselves as the "real people". They may not be far off as they had an amazing respect for the earth and nature. The Chinese absorb everyone and continue to roll!

    When we look around the east indians really stand out with their vedic doctrine. They are very wise. Westerners cannot compete with them in universities, that is just a fact. I have never known an east indian I could not get along with either. They amaze me.

    Myself, the family tells me my grandmother had a tinge of Creek/Cherokee that links to Chief Osceola. I cannot find a record of it and personally I have dirty blonde hair and blue eyes. I do identify with the Seminoles however.

    And once again these people pegged it. Remember the indians refer the tall whites as little brother because he was created last and has much to learn in the area of spirituality.


    Cheers, the Mickster

  18. And Jesus was pure Vedanta (and as such pure d




    And there are many stories of Jesus linking to Nefilim and Vedanta, old master paintings of the Virgin with space ships in the background. It is a story of perhaps he is the avatar, that appears here over and over and is of the Nefilim.

  19. Back to what Penre describes however as confrontations with the iluminati, it is not new to America, only new to history books.


  20. Ahhh yes, the 'tall white men'.
    Kenny you only diminish the reputation of your site by posting this drivel.


    1. Well, what should I post to enhance my 'reputation?

  21. Well there you have it, that is the ticket. The best way to build cred is become an anonymous poster of the net. :)

    1. Are you referring to me or 'Kenny'?