Thursday, July 17, 2014

False Flag Over Ukraine and Israel's Ground Invasion of Gaza

Shot down or blown up with a bomb or whatever, the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 has all the fingerprints of a false flag. Maybe a multifaceted one including a diversion from Israel's ground invasion into Gaza.

We may get distracted but we're not being fooled. Very little the controlled media will tell us about the downed flight will be even close to the truth but they are working overtime to convince us.

Israel Invades Gaza
Initially I assumed Israel would time their ground invasion portion of the Palestinian genocide in Gaza to coincide with the Final match of the World Cup.  It appears the apartheid, rogue, nuclear armed, terror State has instead chose to step up aggression under the cover of the shoot down of a Malaysia Airlines 777 over the Ukraine.  Whether the shoot down was a false flag to be blamed on Russia in order to push us ever closer to another Rothschild bankster World War remains to be seen; But the timing seems rather convenient for the Zionist regime.

Israel orders ground offensive in Gaza; heavy shelling on border - Reuters

Israel starts Gaza ground offensive -

Israel Begins Ground Assault of Gaza Strip- NY Times

Israel launches ground incursion in Gaza Strip LIVE UPDATES - RT

6 Palestinian kids, 4 men killed in fresh Israeli attacks - Press TV

Israeli strike kills three children playing on Gaza roof

Jim Stone's take on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 including this point.
"Sure a lot of debris from this Malaysian airlines flight. Why so little for flight 93 in Pennsylvania?"
ABC News tonight did do a feature on the Israelis entering Gaza. Gotta get the tunnels they said .So the MSM is not totally ignoring this as Jim was saying. They can't. It would be too obvious. Gaza is definitely playing second fiddle though. A Nashville NBC affiliate is preempting their last half hour of local news to focus exclusively on the Malaysian flight.
911InvestigationVids  I hope nobody that subscribes to my channel believes a word of ABC News ever (or any other without verifying). ABC is at the very heart of the 9/11 lie. The reporter here is exaggerating his own experience and overdramatizing, like he was an actor. Most here don't fall for the ABC lies anymore. I would not have even posted this, except for Flight 93.

JEW BUTCHERS, Malaysian Air Flight 17 and 370 and a Sharp Dressed Man- Greg Bacon

Getting Past the Lies? Unconfirmed:  Malaysian plane mistaken for Putin’s private jet which had flown over the area only moments before, leaving Israel and the Kiev junta as prime suspects.  This may well have been an assassination attempt on Putin. Gordon Duff and Jim Dean

I noticed on one picture from this source there are bodies lying on the right side of the debris field and that the debris field is charred as if there were a rather large fire, yet the bodies and the clothes they are wearing are not. And they are all on the same side, in a row. -  Scott Creighton

Jody has doubts too. 

Strange things can happen in a shot down/bombed crash but I'd like to see an explanation for what appears to be an anomaly.

Penny has been updating on the event. Lots of comments. 

Many links at WRH if you're OK with going there. Zero Hedge has coverage also.

MH17 Crash Conspiracy Theories: Strange Coincidence Of First, Last Flight Dates

Kiev deployed powerful surface-to-air missile systems to E. Ukraine ahead of the Malaysian plane crash - RT


Hot times a-coming......


Sad the see the passing of Johnny Winter. The blues seems appropriate today.


  1. The jet carrying Putin “was there at 16:21 Moscow time and the Malaysian aircraft - 15:44 Moscow time." That's a 37-minute time difference. How fast were they flying? At 400 mph, that's easily a 200+ mile gap. How fast do anti-air missiles fly? To call that an "intersection" is a large stretch of mathematical imagination. The folks with the Buk would have needed to have a DARPA-configured update that allowed their missiles to engage in time travel.

    By the way, has anyone seen any real evidence of a manifest for this flight? Or this is a host plane that manifested itself out of an Israeli hangar?

  2. Judge for yourself the authenticity of the following. The translation from Spanish to English is mine:

    ✈ Carlos.

    PARA VER HAY QUE MIRAR. ✈desde una posición privilegiada, ATC (Air Traffic Control) Borispol, Міжнародний аеропорт Бориспіль (
    Kiev. Ukraine
    Joined August 2010
    TO SEE YOU HAVE TO LOOK. ✈from a privileged position, ATC (Air Traffic Control) Borispol

    [Tweets starting at 8:17 AM - 17 Jul 2014]

    Malaysian passenger plane with 280 passengers and 15 crew members crashed in Ukraine, near Russian border

    Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos
    Kiev authorities intend to make it look like an attack by the pro-russians

    Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba
    Be careful! Kiev has what it was looking for

    Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en kiev
    They've returned to take the kiev control tower

    Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT
    Kiev, has what it was looking for, I said so in the first tweets, kiev is responsible

    Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro
    They're going to take our phones and other things at any moment

    Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por kiev
    Before they take my phone or break my head, it was downed by kiev

    Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información
    What are foreigners and kiev authorities doing in the tower? Gathering all the information

    El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,
    The B 777 plane flew escorted by 2 ukrainian fighter jets until minutes before disappearing from radar

    Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza
    If the kiev authorities want to tell the truth, it is known that 2 fighter planes flew very close minutes before, but the plane wasn't downed by one of them.

    Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?
    As soon as the B 777 Malaysia Airlines plane disappeared the kiev military authorities informed us that it had been shot down, how did they know?

    1. Down the memory hole:

      Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

    2. Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane

      Jul 17, 2014

      ETN received information from an air traffic controller in Kiev on Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

      This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board.

      The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down.

      Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from.


    3. Ukrainian Buk battery radar was operational when Malaysian plane downed – Moscow

      RT | July 18, 2014

      On Thursday, when a Malaysian Airlines plane was apparently shot down over Ukraine, a Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational in the region, the Russian Defense Ministry said, contradicting Kiev’s statements.

      The battery was deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner, the ministry said in a statement. It said radiation from the battery’s radar was detected by the Russian military.


    4. Here's a comment by brian over at Penny's. The translation is by Bing - not great, but understandable:

      on ATC carlos

      Jorge Alberich Anuchin
      18 hrs ·
      Buenos días a todos!
      Me gustaría dejar nuevas cosas en claro respecto a información sobre el vuelo Malasya Airlines 17 (MH 17)
      1. @spainbuca (cuenta suspendida por Twitter) – Es real; verificada con IP de Ucrania. Esta persona tenia doble nacionalidad (Española y Ucraniana); Muchas páginas web afirman barbaridades respecto a el SIN TENER PRUEBAS.
      2. A través de varios servicios confidenciales y privados, existen análisis de la cuenta de @spainbuca; por lo que actualmente descartamos lo que va por Twitter: “@spainbuca es un fake” – La cuenta era real; y los datos en ella también!
      3. Me han informado a través de varias fuentes lo siguiente: Me afirman que USA mando una orden a Twitter Inc. para eliminar la cuenta de @spainbuca por motivos “desconocidos”.
      4. Existen señales de varias personas que trabajan para empresas de “http” que confirman que USA mandaba órdenes a Ucrania (Kiev).
      Bueno señores, eso era todo de lo que podía informar. Las fuentes de información son confidenciales.
      ‪#‎Ukraine‬ ‪#‎spainbuca‬ ‪#‎Kiev‬ ‪#‎MalasyanAirlines17‬ ‪#‎MH17‬ ‪#‎Boeing777‬
      Good morning to all!
      I would like to make new things clear regarding information about flying Malaysia Airlines 17 (MH 17) 1. @spainbuca (suspended by Twitter account) - is real; verified IP of Ukraine. This person had dual nationality (Spanish and Ukrainian); Many websites say terrible things about the without having evidence.

      2 on several private and confidential services, there are analysis of the count of @spainbuca; by what currently rule out so far on Twitter: "@spainbuca is a fake" - the account was real; and the data in it also!

      3. I have been informed through various sources as follows: claim Me that it uses command order to Twitter Inc. to delete the @spainbuca account for "unknown" reasons.

      4. There are signs of several people working for companies of "http" confirming that USA sent orders to Ukraine (Kiev).

      Good gentlemen, that was all that could inform. The sources of information are confidential.

      #Ukraine #spainbuca #Kiev #MalasyanAirlines17 #MH17 #Boeing777 (Translated by Bing)

    5. Here's a better translation of 3. Me han informado a través de varias fuentes lo siguiente: Me afirman que USA mando una orden a Twitter Inc. para eliminar la cuenta de @spainbuca por motivos “desconocidos”.
      3. They have informed me through various sources the following: They state that USA sent an order to Twitter Inc. to eliminate the account of @spainbuca for "unknown" reasons.

    6. Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity

    7. MH-17: Beware of the «Chameleon»
      Wayne MADSEN | 21.07.2014 | 00:00

      The 10-day NATO exercise code named «BREEZE 2014» has ended in Black Sea. The exercise, which included the use of electronic warfare and electronic intelligence aircraft such as the Boeing EA-18G Growler and the Boeing E3 Sentry Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS), coincided with the shootdown of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 in eastern Ukraine, some 40 miles from the Russian border. NATO ships and aircraft had the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under total radar and electronic surveillance.

      MH-17 was shot down over a region where Russian-speaking separatist forces have been battling against the alliance of the Ukrainian armed forces and a private mercenary force answerable to a Ukrainian-Jewish billionaire oligarch.
      The seizure of the air traffic control center at Borispol by allies of Kolomoisky shortly before the shooting down of MH-17 and Kolomoisky’s strong links to Israel, which benefitted immensely from the downing of MH-17 because it drew the attention of the world’s media away from its ground invasion of Gaza, which began just as initial reports about the fate of MH-17 were being transmitted, may be the real story behind the loss of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 and the horrible deaths of its 298 passengers and crew.

      Read the rest:

    8. Tuesday, July 22, 2014
      Remember the Hacked Emails (real) from Army Attache at Embassy in Kiev to Ukraine Military "Create False Flag to Blame on Russia"

    9. Here's a good compilation of information about MH17:

      MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flag
      July 25, 2014
      21st Century Wire

      Saturday, 26 July 2014

  3. There’s a video here which I hadn’t watched when I made the comment, and I had skipped past the photos of the bodies, but folks are indeed correct when they talk about the comparisons with Flight 93, the infamous “let’s roll” plane purportedly part of the 9/11 events. Ironically, it's the video I didn't stay to watch that was on the TV in the barbershop this afternoon. But you have it very right: one of the give-aways about this whole thing is the parade of people (like Senator McCain) tripping over each other and themselves to tell us the Russians did it.

  4. We're being force fed and spoon fed a lot of scenarios. It may take a while to figure out the exacts. If we ever can? If things are being sped up, we may see a follow up event soon.

  5. In the photo with victims shown, they are at the edge of a completely charred and cindered, very devastated debris field, yet are not burnt. How could the plane have been so completely disintegrated and strewn about, but not the bodies? Photos and videos originating from media and government sources can never be believed. As for bodies, no way to know if they are even real. For an example:
    Simulated plane crash at Dulles tests first responders
    Saturday - 5/4/2013
    Jamie Forzato,
    "The injured passengers are actually volunteers. Makeup was used to simulate real wounds.
    "Anywhere from cut fingers to severe burns on their face, exposed bones, compound fractures. The injuries are extensive to minor," Kenney says. Dummies represented fatal victims. "

    1. Ukraine: *VERY GRAPHIC* MH17 crash site- charred bodies lie among burning debris

    2. I saw that video. It was not graphic at all, you lying fool. Only one body shows any sign of charring and it is very light as if greasepaint applied by a makeup artist. There were no limbs torn away nor any blood visible anywhere. In fact, the 'bodies' look exactly like people posing to play dead.

  6. One comparison of airplane crashes might be to read Laurence Gonzales' new book "Flight 232" which thoroughly deconstructs the events in which a DC-10 engine malfunctioned and the flight crew managed to use their wits to bring the thing in for a crash impact on landing with cartwheeling wing-over, with scads of interviews, etc.

    Nevertheless, we must word extraordinarily well together, as did the crew of that DC-10, to save lives. In that event, bodies were thrown out, pieces of the airplane broke off with internal infrastructure intact enough to allow people to walk away in some cases and which, in others, insured their death.

    As for the problem of combatting the misleading, the misinformation, the hard-to-figure out, etc. and to hold some people's feet to the fire (including our own), I think that some further coalition of people is in order. Some are best at keeping up with things hour-by-hour. Each of us works a somewhat different time schedule. Some people specialize in looking at a certain set of sources, others look at different ones. Some are good at writing analysis and set pieces; some are not. Some people excel at pure simple research; some don't. Having a grouping or groupings of people according to some sense of their interest and value might make us better and faster. A multi-tiered system for online "publication", off-line coordination and discussion, or sub-task assignment (some do multi-media real well, for example)might be worth considering. There is also room in that approach for doing a systematic analysis of questionable authors, sites, etc., in a way that will be productive. [Here's an example: We'll have to watch this fellow Wolfgang Halbig and hold his feet t the fire on producing the "script" for Sandy Hoax that he says he has.]

    It's late; I'll be gone tomorrow. The third and final part over at Boy Down The Lane will show up earlier than the other ones. Hopefully, WWZ will not begin while I'm gone.

  7. Couple of things stand out for me, Kenny. First is likelihood it was an assassination attempt on Putin. I comment on the CBC news forums and it is sickening the way some of the pro-Kiev posters were posting threats to Putin's life in the past few days. I am not saying there was a connection but already, I was/am very afraid for his life.

    Secondly, the crash was very trail of smoke in the sky to the ground and no explosion in the sky...just on the ground...doesn't make sense. Word that there were two jets trailing the airliner. I believe it was forced off its chosen flight path into this area for the set up.

    On the CBC forums right now there are dozens of shills blaming Russia/ they were called into work overtime....probably were. This is a very concentrated effort. I believe it is a big push from the globalfascists and they have put a lot of eggs in this basket. The only encouraging thing is seeing on the Internet that so many Americans are wise to them...and their false flags.

  8. Between the Israeli Navy murdering four Gazan kids Wednesday and the IDF killing three more Thursday, this wreck is sure a PR bonanza for Israel, as all those reporters at the Gazan hotel that watched those four kids get blown to bits, will be writing about something else.

    What timing! The massive Khazar murderous assault into Gaza happens hours after the Flight 17 tragedy, giving Israel all sorts of places to hide their war crimes behind.

    It's now about 12 hours since the USA 'intelligence' source, unnamed of course, stated that Flight 17 had been shot down with a Russian missile and they're still trying to figure out the triangulation of the shot?

    This incident stinks to high heaven and it par for the course for the unhinged Israeli's to use an innocent 3rd party, Flight 17 as a False Flag to make the world reel in horror and look that way while the Zionist butchers go on another blood-soaked rampage in Gaza.

    Here's the 'short list' of Israeli False Flags, 35 and counting with more than a few involving the use of passenger jets.

    Good night, Johnny! Was lucky to catch Mr. Winter along with a bassist and drummer in a Phoenix, AZ bar back in 1978.

    They blew the roof off that place.

  9. I screwed up the times, the IDF started the Gaza invasion minutes after Flight 17 was downed.

    Flight 17 downed at 14:15 UTC. Israeli assault on Gaza: 14:00 UTC.

    Never realized PM Netanyahu was a psychic! Psychotic, yes, but not a fortune teller.

  10. Check out the maps on my blog that show the deliberate rerouting of Flight 17 over the Ukraine.

    Now who would want to do that?

  11. Was Flight MH-17 Diverted Over Restricted Airspace?

    White House Statement Offers Condolences, Blames Russia, Demands "Full, Credible, Unimpeded" Investigation Into MH17 Crash

    Of course that "full, credible, and unimpeded international investigation" won't consider everyone who had the means, motive and opportunity to bring the plane down, such as the Kiev thug junta, the CIA, etc.

    Ukraine Releases YouTube Clip "Proving" Rebels Shot Down Malaysian Flight MH-17

    something here smells very fishy...


    Malaysian Air Flight 17 flight path Whom and for Whom?
    Rerouted, sending it right over the conflict, convenient for Zionist NWO war mongers.

  13. My "Occurrences" post at midnight (which was very long) did not load. No big deal, as someone in the "neighborhood" had almost everything I had included (with a couple of telling minor exceptions that didn't have a lot to to with MH17, except that I found an old article about a Boeing patent for an "uninterruptible autopilot" that could be commandeered by outsiders (and it mentioned the CIA), which is relevant to the "other" Malaysian 777, and an article noting that Elbit (an Israeli company) was fitting all of the Israeli Boeing aircraft with built-in anti-missile defense capabilities that operated on an independent power system. Oh, and Fetzer's article noting Wolfgang Halbib was given "the script" for the Sany Hoax by a Connecticut State trooper (and he promises to publish it).

    I'll go back and break the "Occurrences" post into small parts.

    Have a nice day, all.

  14. The debris field seems too small for a shoot-down. According to stone, this flight was cancelled out of amsterdam. How about this - this plane was the 4-month missing flight #370 plane, with bodies (fake or real) planted at the edge of the charred area. Bodies, not usually shown, make for greater impact. One of the bodies (elbow/hand in air) looks like a mannequin. Also, why would Putin fly over this dangerous area? -EV

  15. Journalists injured in Israel airstrikes on media buildings

    Ma’an – 18/07/2014

    GAZA CITY – At least one journalist was injured in an Israeli airstrike that targeted Palestinian media buildings in the Gaza Strip early Friday.
    The Israeli army has been regularly accused of targeting Palestinian journalists by international watchdogs, and attacks on news and radio stations in Gaza have generally been more frequent during times of bombardment.

    Israeli military shells Gazan el-Wafa hospital

    International Solidarity Movement | July 18, 2014

    Gaza, Occupied Palestine – Yesterday at 20:40 the Israeli military contacted el-Wafa hospital in Gaza and stated, “Why don’t you care about your family? Why don’t you care about your patients?”

    The receptionist replied, “Sir, you can’t bomb the hospital. We cannot move the patients.”

    Several minutes later, two rockets were fired at the hospital, and two more shortly after. The fourth rocket penetrated through the concrete walls.

    The shelling then began heavily, hitting the hospital from all sides. Nurses ran through the halls screaming.

  16. I am starting to think it was more like MH370 than previously thought. Now I think that the flight was diverted and landed. Another plane (possibily MH370) had already been transported to the site and was blown up. Perhaps there were people on the original MH17 flight of interest to the Israeli Mossad "security" company that operates the Shipol airport in Amsterdam. This group has been involved in many false flags in the past...including 9/11. One of the pieces of evidence to this scenario is the video of the fellow going through the passports of the victims on the ground. The passports were in perfect condition. It was as if they had been confiscated beforehand and then brought to the site.

    1. Here's another look at the alleged crash site and as Scott says "Curious but not conclusive."

      The passport thing does seem ridiculous. Sloppy work or planted disinfo to keep us spinning around?

      Unless I'm mistaken, early reports were that there were over 20 Americans on board. Now this:

    2. Someone posting on a blog today identified from a video of the crash site that the tail ID number of the plane was incorrect. He said it should end in RD if it is MH17, but that this one ended in RC. If MH17 was canceled, and if the reported tail ID number data is correct, then this plane may be MH370. Hence, someone should check to see what the tail ID number of MH370 was.

      If true, then the flight was empty and robo-controlled, and the crash was staged in order to demonize Russia.


  18. News media and US officials wasted no time in accusing Russia and Ukrainian rebels from first minute the news of Malaysian aircraft became public. The funny thing is while they all already accused Russia and Ukrainian rebels only for the tragedy, they all said that we should wait for investigation..So what's the purpose of an investigation if from the first minute the story became punlic Russia was accused of being the culprit?!!!
    Sen. McCain, Hillary Clinton, Obama and many other officials accused Russia and rebels of being behind this crime but they called for an investigation.
    All data for such an investigation will be provided by the junta regime in Kiev whose leaders were the first to accuse Russian from the first minute the plane was downed.

    1. On the other hand I heard earlier someone on NPR saying that the crash site is in 'rebel' hands and there may never be a real investigation. That would be very convenient in a false flag psyops. NPR sometimes gets insider info and sets a future narrative. We'll see.

    2. CBS news tonight reinforced the narrative that the investigation may be 'incomplete' due to the circumstances.

  19. I have to agree with your notion about Israel using Malaysian tragedy for their misdeeds in Gaza, specially under the leadeship of Bibi Netanyahu.
    Here's what opportunist Bibi Netnyahu said during 1989 Tian'men Square protests in China:
    " Israel should have exploited the repression of demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
    Netnyahu speaking to students at Bar Ilan University in Israel, from Israel Journal Hotam, Nov. 24, 1989.

  20. When the US is as a sockpuppet for Israel. It is becoming clearer and clearer. The crash site was "created" by trucked-in pieces of the disassembled MH370. Now, where is MH17? Last it was seen it was accompanied by two military jets. Were these jets Ukrainian? Not likely...although they may have been disguised as such. More likely they were Israeli jets and accompany/forcing the plane where? Well Diego Garcia has been used successfully before. Why are they doing this? Like someone said,,,they're on a criminal rampage and terrorizing the world because it won't give them globalism.

  21. Kenny, for the archives. Cannot verify it's authenticity, but wanted opinions. - Switters


    Interesting serious of tweets, probably tells the correct story on the downed Malaysian flight:

    "Before They take away phones or will smash our head, Aircraft was hit by KIEV.

    Spanish air traffic controllers working in Kiev, wrote on his twitter:

    "Before They take away our phones or will smash our heads,I will say tat Aircraft was hit by Kiev"

    The Spaniard has left more than 20 posts, of which referred to two ukrainian fighters that accompanied the plane until the loss of communication with him.

    Carlos messages in order:

    1: Aviakatastrof, a passenger plane crashed in Ukraine, Donetsk region

    2: Aviokatastrof, plane 777, in the area of Donetsk

    3: B 777 "Malaysia Airline" crashed in Ukraine, on the border with Russia

    4: B 777 "Malaysia Airline" 280 passengers. Crashed in Donetsk, Ukraine.

    5: Kiev authorities are trying to make it look like an attack from pro-Russian militias

    6: WARNING! Perhaps B 777 was shot down in Ukraine. 280 Passengers

    7: This is how! Looks Kiev got what he wanted.

    8: In Kiev again control of the tower was seized .

    9: Confirmed: The B 777 lost on the radar, there were no reports of any abnormalities.

    10: The plane was shot down, it is not an accident

    11: Kiev got what he wanted. I have already mentioned in previous tweets

    12: This is not an ordinary plane crash. They Threaten us in the control room.

    13: At any time, they will take away phones

    14: Before they take away phones, or will break my head, it Kiev who nocked the plane.

    15: We have proof . Plane shot down. Kiev authorities are already disposes information. Shot down. Now we are calm.

    16: What do foreign agents doing in the control tower? Gathering information.

    17: When it is possible, continue to write.

    18: B 777 aircraft flew in with two Ukrainian fighter, just until it disappeared from radar.

    19: If the Kiev authorities want to tell the truth, the two fighters flew next few minutes before they knocked the plane.

    20: Immediately after the B 777 missing, Kiev military reported the fall of the plane. How do they know?

    21: At 7:00 am informed about the downing of the aircraft, and later our dispatch office was captured by Foreigners and they are still here.. Foreigners are still here.

    22: For Non believers Evrything detected by Radars radars . Plane was shot down by Kiev. We all know it, and the military, too.

    23: Here the military acknowledged that it could make another war, but do not know who ordered.

    24: Military suspect that Ukraine did it.. But do not know where the order came from.

    25: A few days ago I said that the military want to remove Poroshenko. Perhaps this is the case, and order was by Tymoshenko.

    26: Fighter aircraft flew over, and just 3 minutes later he was gone. Total 3.

    27: Close the airspace.

    From 16h to 16h 16 min 22 min were intercepted talks of pilot of combat aircraft. I'll post them, but you yourself


    It is worth mentioning one important detail in this story ...
    Namely - to all media reports and official line on safety Vladimir Putin called on his own initiative Obama. And told him about the crush of the liner ... What does this mean? That in a space of Russian federation there is in Russian radar monitoring airspace. Both civilian and military. Other than that - there is a satellite reconnaissance over the area. So - if the downed plane was shoot by missile, then they know - where shot was made from, which class missile, who shot and how it happened. That's what he said briefly. To prevent speculation and provocation on this subject .... Therefore, the U.S. reaction to now restrained .... And we just have to wait .. Soon all will become clear ...

  22. NMM had his translations earlier in this thread with the confirmation that the tweets were deleted. I've barely looked into it but some, maybe shills, are saying it is a hoax. Scrubbing is sometimes used to add credibility but not always. WRH is reporting the guy is real. I don't know.

    I noticed that the Obama remarks were restrained. So a preemptive call to him from Putin, maybe with proof, could slow down the rhetoric especially with the threat of exposing details the US would not like. We'll see if it becomes clear but I have my doubts it will.

  23. US Senate Unanimously Passes Resolution Supporting Israeli Assault on Gaza
    By Chris Carlson | International Middle East Media Center | July 18, 2014

    Following a similar resolution passed last week by the U.S. House, the U.S. Senate voted Thursday night to support Israel’s ongoing invasion of the Gaza Strip.

    No dissenting vote was cast, and no mention was made of the hundreds of Palestinian civilians, most of whom are women and children, that have been killed by Israel in the past ten days.

    Senate Resolution 498 was authored by Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), with additional support by Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Rand Paul (R-KY).


    1. there is a "special" place in "JEWTOPIA" reserved for the psychopath/sociopath
      "JEW" worshippers...rumor has it that it never rains and is always quite HOT !!

      wailing and gnashing of teeth



  24. Malaysia MH17 crash: 10 questions Russia wants Ukraine to answer
    July 18, 2014

  25. Independent researchers are now focusing on the photos of the crash site. There are a lot of anomalies with them...not the least that the passports were in pristine condition. I am looking at the difference between the shots of the pieces of aircraft and the other shots where there is nothing but rubble and you can see bodies. It looks like they were taken in two different locations. Someone needs to look closely at this. I remember when I first saw the photo of a body it did not look I am not seeing that particular photo any more.

    One of the ongoing frustrations I have had with all these false flags, particularly the reluctance of Russia to get involved or make any pronouncements (they must know more than they're saying). Now with this...perhaps they will understand the necessity of routing these snakes out of their holes and eradicating them....ASAP!

  26. Many questions being asked may be answered by Stone's analysis.
    There is no PermaLink to this, but there is much more information to be read while it is still front page at the website.

    July 18 2014

    MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370

    The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure none could speak about what went on.

    From the Washington Times: People dead LONG BEFORE plane took off
    [ ]
    Russia rebel commander suggests passengers died days before Malaysian flight
    By Associated Press Friday, July 18, 20
    MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

    My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage

    1. The liveleak video linked above and many of the photos appear to back this theory up.

  27. Very small area of debris for shot down large plane? Also, in regard to Stone's analysis, even dead flesh burns, so what is even left of bodies should have been burned to charred cinders?
    Flight MH17′s Tiny Roadside Crash-site (images)
    Posted on July 18, 2014 by willyloman
    by Scott Creighton
    While going over some of the photos of the crash site of Flight MH17 I noticed something odd: most of the photos are taken from a low angle looking across the same debris field like when someone tries to make a crowd at a fake protest seem larger than it actually is. So I looked into it a bit further and I noticed something else: the crash site is right beside the only road into that area. In fact, all the large pieces of debris are right beside the road. Also of note, most reports claim the plane disintegrated in mid-air when it blew up but the crash site is extremely small for such a large plane and it’s relatively confined to that one space. That’s not at all conducive to the reported eye-witness statements that claim the plane came apart at around 33,000 ft traveling at around 500mph. Debris should have been spread out over several debris fields with quite a distance between them like was the case with Flight 800.


    DAHBOO77 is painting a very bleak picture of this incident. He alleges that the motivation for the perps is to create a "no fly" zone over eastern Ukraine so they can move in ground troops and wipe the pro-russians out. This would be a prelude to taking on Russia. I am wondering if the decomposing bodies, blood serum and "medications" are indications of a biological warfare campaign against the Novorussians.

    We also need to find out who the "foreigners" were who came into the control tower with the Ukraine "authorities" and took the radar evidence. If we find out what country the foreigners were from...we know who the perps are, IMO.

    1. A modern-day "Trojan Horse"....

      The just-posted newest "Occurrences" re-posts the old link from 2006 about Boeing's patent for an "uninterruptible autopilot" that can allow control from outside the aircraft "via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency...."

  29. A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off.

    The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that "a significant number of the bodies weren't fresh," adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

    The Malaysia Airlines Boeing-777 was shot down Thursday, killing all 298 people aboard. The plane was flying 10,000 meters above an area where Ukrainian forces have been fighting separatist rebels. Each side accuses the other of downing the plane.

    U.S. intelligence authorities said a surface-to-air missile brought down the plane, and U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the U.N. Security Council in New York on Friday that the missile was likely fired from a rebel-held area near the Russian border.

    Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian military intelligence agent, said he couldn't confirm the information. But it's sure to add to the intense emotions surrounding the crash, with the rebels accused of shooting down the plane.

    Girkin said "Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness."

    He claimed that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.

    Add to this the mealy-mouth "We don't know what happened" coming out of the Western sock puppets and it's adding up to another Zionist false flag.

  30. US Aims at Blowing EU-Russia Rift with Downed Airliner
    Friday, July 18th, 2014
    by Finian Cunningham
    Strategic Culture

    When assessing culpability, it is not only significant to ask the criminologist’s question: who benefits? It is also significant to observe how the political and media reaction to events quickly takes on an unmistakably scripted pre-ordained formula. In this case, there is more than a pungent whiff of premeditated action-reaction dialectic going on.

    American geopolitical interests are best served by this atrocity, by shocking a laggardly Europe into adopting its aggressive sanctions towards Russia, even though that militates against European economic concerns. Shooting down a civilian airliner would ensure blowing a decisive rift between Europe and Russia.


  31. ‘They were falling from the sky:’ Witnesses of MH17 crash tell their stories
    Published time: July 19, 2014 11:05

    Remains of the bodies, crashed parts of the plane, still burning engines – that was the dramatic and gruesome picture that local residents saw when the Malaysian plane crashed in the sky over Donetsk Region in eastern Ukraine.
    Aleksandr, another local who witnessed the plane falling from the sky, was watching TV but when he heard “a roar and two explosions.” He went out to see what was going on.

    “[I] saw a spinning plane without a wing with something falling out of it. The plane was shot down,” he told RT. “There were explosions in the sky. And apart from the loud sounds of the plane itself, I heard the buzz which fighter jets make.”

  32. In every single one of these false flags...I have eventually narrowed my personal investigation down to one seminal every single instance, this question is NEVER answered. Usually it is a very simple question and on the surface would appear easy to find the answer for...but the answer is never found. In this question came early. It is: Who were the "foreigners" who accompanied the Ukraine "authorities" when they confiscated the communications and radar in the Air Control Tower? There must have been many should be easy to ask? Why don't we know this already?

  33. Browsing through the M$M...and particularly the BBC (Brazenly Best Calumny) I see they are already saying that the pro Russians are tampering with the evidence. This is going to be their main tack from now on....because they have been busted and they know it. RT interviewed an elderly woman who had a body come through her roof and land in her kitchen. It was still there. Her son said there was no blood from it. Villagers claim the bodies all reek. I am concerned about biowarfare.


  35. Russian Pravda has a column today questioning Western media quick jump to conclusions shortly after plane was shot down accusing Russia and East Ukranian rebels.
    Article questions if Putin was the real target.

    1. If Putin was the real target, then why all the dead and rotting bodies allegedly in the MH17? If it had not allegedly been shot down, where was its destination? And were the dead bodies meant to arrive there? And if there was a pilot and crew actually flying it, what explanation would they have given for this? Seems that they would all have had to be dead. Since live pilots have to keep in communication with ground controls while in flight, was there any? Was Putin's plane under cover of protective air support, by the way? As Air Force 1 is when in flight with the President on board?

  36. Kenny, I can't get the videos on your comments section to work. Also, there appears to be an attack on alternative web sites on the Internet going on. David Icke (who has a brilliant depiction of Israel currently up on his site) was out two mornings in a row. Jeff Rense is down now and even the BBC had a "denial of service" earlier this morning. Oh and is say that they have been advised that the Spanish Air Traffic Controller is fake and operates out of England....they are "looking into it".

  37. What if this event was scripted and carried out as was the Sandy Hook Hoax? With US/NATO/ ISRAEL/UKRAINE-KIEV in league together, quite possible. Real plane debris, real dead, rotting bodies, lying witnesses all-around! How much is really true? What is the ultimate purpose? War with Russia and letting Israel get away with its continuing genocide of Gaza?
    Employees of Ukraine’s Richest anti-Seperatist Billionaire Record Explosion Prior to Impact… no smoke trail in the air
    Posted on July 19, 2014 by willyloman
    by Scott Creighton
    "Notice the truck tire tracks in the foreground? Notice the coal? Yes folks, that is a coal mine. Yes, those miners were set up to film the explosion in advance and their story is that they only did that because they saw a huge explosion or TWO of them… in the sky. That clearly didn’t happen.
    So why would these miners lie? Because Ukraine’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov, their boss, told them to. That’s why.
    The first people on the scene were workers from a nearby coal mine."
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    July 19 coverage starts here
    Do not forget Gaza, which this shoot down was in part used for to occupy the news with something else

    AIDS Microbiologists on MH17 story a HOAX!

    As I suspected, when a major Australian paper reported that 100 top aids researchers were on MH17, the story was a hoax. As it turns out, the official airline serving the conference is Emirates Airlines, which is offering steep discounts on air travel to the conference, and is listed as the official airline serving the conference. This puts the 100 dead microbiologists on A SINGLE MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT that in reality left too early anyway into the HOAX category, FIGURE THE ODDS.
    John wrote: Predictive programming for MH17 on "The Strain"

    Hollywood famous Guillermo del Toro directed & wrote the season premiere of "The Strain" which aired on July 13th on FX (Fox owned network) just 4 days before MH-17. In the episode a BOEING jetliner arrives @ JFK from Europe with everyone dead on board, drained of blood & already decomposing.

    1. Wow! certainly very prescient........

  38. Media outlets have been saying all day that the evidence has been tampered with.
    From Ukrainian media, to BBC, to many other US media sources which means that they're all telling us:
    Trust us, we know who did it...!! but we cannot run an honest investigation because evidence was tampered with. So take us on our word, we know that Russia did it...!!!

    1. was obvious how they were going to play this out...


    "Within 5-minutes of President Putin warning his US counterpart, President Obama, that “war games” being carried out by NATO member Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) forces over Romania could lead to a “potential catastrophe”, Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was destroyed over the eastern conflict region of Ukraine."


    The RCAF CF-18 Hornets belong to the 425 Tactical Fighter Squadron and began arriving in Romania in the days prior to the 5-10 June where they began engaging in “highly provocative war games”, this report says, which included electronic jamming of civilian flight radars.

    So “provocative” have RCAF pilots been, last week that they were tasked by NATO to begin “direct confrontations” along the Russia border with Lithuania against Russian Air Force pilots beginning in August."


    So the big boys are going to use Canadian military as cannon fodder again

  40. DUH !

    what tribe are the GOG & MAGOG "Khazars" from anyway...
    as if that would {legally} permit them to murder,
    MASS MURDER and land grab with impunity...
    paid for by the money changers & Pharisees



  41. Very good analysis to verify that MH17 was actually the missing MH370 with all the now dead passengers. Any hope left for them is lost!
    [No PermaLink]
    July 21 2014
    Russian satellites and American satellites recorded the truth

    America is being forced to backtrack on accusations that Russia downed flight MH17 after Russia produced proof that (as this web site reported on day one,) Ukranian fighter jets were accompanying flight MH17. Now an AP reporter has also stepped forward, saying that all along, from day one, he was shown proof that American satellites also tracked the shoot down, and that America knew Ukraine downed the plane as well.
    On day one this web site clearly stated this shoot down was done in Ukraine BY UKRAINE when the real MH17 is never supposed to get within 200 KM of where this plane was shot down. This shoot down was done 200KM East of MH17´s established flight path because the outcome of the investigation could be controlled in that region and falsified to forever hide that beyond a reasonable doubt the plane was in fact flight 370. A real investigation would look at serial numbers on parts which would identify the plane they came from, and would not be limited to photos of a paint job and even those photos are totally messed up when all sources of them are put together in the same bin. A summary of the evidence proving this was flight 370, including what happened to the MH17 "passengers" is below:

    1. Updated info comparing identifying photo images of both planes--MH17 and MH370. Flag icon placements on planes next to doors are unique to each one.
      July 22 2014

      Earlier today I messed up a report about the number of seats and pulled that report. NOW WE HAVE THE SMOKING GUN, thanks to another internet sleuth, who spent many hours comparing photos of the wreckage to photos of MH370 and MH17, and he found the SMOKING GUN.
      The mistake in the shoot down false flag was subtle, yet obvious, and is absolute proof it was flight 370.