Monday, March 31, 2008

Stardust Rain - Ralph Buckley

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...stardust rain
'dreams'...another sort of myth or story that's handed down from father to son...mother to daughter. "Don't be a silly young man...dreams don't pay the bills" or "ain't never gonna happen...uh huh, so just keep on dreaming" said big brother.
Well as a matter of fact...."I will keep on dreaming...thank u very much"!!!
Funny thing seems to be happening a lot these days...dreams are becoming real. Tell ya what...quantum physics is starting to 'freak out' dem' neo-cons...(awareness is subject to change due to the observer's awareness-hehe)... Weird thing is....I think there is some highly peculiar hidden knowledge....& technology, dating back to to...oh I don't know...back to our origins, that could certainly explain a thing or two about 'human nature' our 'DNA' & the power of consciousness. I think are ancient relatives were much more in tune to what we would term "unexplained phenomenon".
It's just that what used to be far-fetched...ain't so far-fetched anymore. But man you've got to be able to envision this....or at least try. I mean...check it out. If you wake up & go to your fridge and there's no food in there...well it's a no-brainer that you've got to put on your shoes...& walk down to the store & buy some grub so you don't starve..... Now it wasn't hard for you to think of all of this in your head...step by step, on just what you needed to do to accomplish this. It's called problem solving. So now if somebody says to you...Oh man...that's it. We're going to's over. You'd say..."What is wrong with you man....I'll just go to the store & pick up some food...jeezdued...quit freaking out"
This lame little example is just a way to show that there is a way in which to achieve anything & everything. From the most simple to the most complicated, there is a 'process' and it is so very easy to learn. But you've got to see it happening in your 'mind's eye' first. Envision it. See it. Believe it. Sometimes things can be just so overwhelming that we become completely dramatized. This seems to be when we are at are most vulnerable. This is when our precious media steps up...big time. 'Fear' (subliminal) 'terror' (subliminal) 'fear'....& so on.
It seems that we are told to not trust our instincts. That we should not be led by our intuition. But this is the very essence of what and whom we are. It's our spiritual awareness that leads us to people and things we love. Spirituality has just been so distorted by the old ways. It doesn't necessarily have to be about god, the father, or morality. It's about music. It's about sports. It's about physics. It's about what we love to do. Long ago my dad told me once, that he felt like he was most alive when he played basketball in college. He played at SMU on a scholarship during the fifties. This was where his spirit led him. My 'significant other' Marcie, she makes dream catchers...almost effortlessly. But when she's doing this...she is 'there'. She's in the moment.
It seems like we're all so close to all being 'here'....'NOW'. Together...!
Envision if you will a world without money or currency. A world in which we are led to one another so that we can share & exchange information and talents and skills...& our time. We won't be driven by greed. Giving will be every bit as important as receiving. No more money, no more greed, no more it that far-fetched?
"you may say I'm a dreamer,
but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
& the world will live as one"
John Lennon
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Added: March 31, 2008

Jeremiah Wright and the American Dilemma: He is not America's Problem

By Fahim A. Knight

This writer is appalled at all the negative attention and criticism Reverend Jeremiah Wright has received from the mass media both electronic and print due to his relationship with Senator Barack Obama who is running for the office of president of the United States of America. This writer must admit right off the back to his readers that he admires Reverend Wright; although he has never met the man and has never attended his Chicago based church. I guess the premises of this statement would suggest to the readers that this article will be subjective and lack objectivity and scholarly balance; just too the contrary this author went to great lengths to offer an empirical argument. However Reverend Wright would be the type of pastor and shepherd that this writer could embrace and follow, thus, I am far beyond being led by black charismatic leaders and cult type religions and organizations that are steeped in ministries of exploitation and of no substance to its followers.

Thus, this writer is equally appalled at how some Christian clergy and fellow church goers have gone too great lengths to distance themselves publicly from Reverend Wright. Wright's sermons are directly rooted in the black experience and it is within that socio-political and culture context his ideological analysis and theological interpretations has been formulated. The evaluation of America’s system of oppression and racism can perhaps be heard in most black churches pulpits subtly and/or radically on any giving Sunday. The historical experience of 310 years of subjugation from time to time created voices of rebellion and protest that evolved simultaneously alongside a system of injustice and oppression.

Kwame Ture Stated in his book titled, Black Power: The Politics of Liberation” stated,
"One of the strategies of racism is to confuse the victims into believing all their victories should be awarded to the oppressor. In the U.S.A., when Africans verbally attack capitalism they are told that they must be thankful to the U.S. capitalist system, which gives them the right to free speech. In this one sentence, Centuries of African struggle are obliterated. When Africans came To the U.S.A. speaking only African languages, their tongues would be cut out and held as an example to others. Did the system Change on its own or did Africans force the change, thru consistent, uncompromising struggle?"

America’s media has always had an uncanny way of blaming and demonizing the victim and those that perpetuated these historical criminal acts go unchallenged. Blacks in 1555 arrived to the shores of America in the holes of slave ships deemed as chattel slaves. Moreover, kidnapped from Africa by Portugal, Spain, Great Britain, France, Germany, the Dutch, etc. It would be race and class that have served as a historical and present antagonistic contradiction laying at the base of race relations in America.

Black people have always listened to and benefited from religious leaders of the likes of Jeremiah Wright from the slave plantation to the present because they share a common history and a common experience and can relate to the struggles of the biblical peoples and prophets being referenced and articulated in their religious worldview. Black preachers have the flexibility to use cultural and nationalism, as part of their hermeneutics to demonstrate theological relevance to the daily struggles of black folk. The black preacher has always used biblical allegory, metaphors, symbolism, similes, etc., which to paint a picture, but more importantly draw direct and indirect parallel to the prophets and people of old, which to redeem the spiritual struggles impacting their followers’ lives.

Senator Obama for over 20 years found that type of ministerial instructions fitting and in no way contradictory to his American patriotism because fire and brimstone sermons delivered by black ministers has always giving blacks a collective voice of criticism and a subconscious spiritual victory over earthly matters that they couldn’t change or alter. Many of Reverend Wright sermons heard by Senator Obama were viewed as reflecting honesty, forthrightness, and religious tolerance compatible to his worldview because it exemplified the black experience in America. This writer has no respect for the waffling and backsliding Senator Obama has done because it shows a lack of integrity and a willingness to play a dangerous political game. Reverend Wright is not a racist or a bigot nor is his preaching style obsolete and Senator Obama knows this; he is a keen intellectual that has worked diligently to give his followers a perspective and used the text as a tool of liberation and mentally freeing the captives. The media has an agenda to misinform, mischaracterize, and manipulate the truth in order to keep the masses of people confused and politically disorientated.

They knew long before Senator Obama declared his presidency that Reverend Wright’s fiery speeches could pose a political liability to the candidate of change and they forced Senator Obama to react to his pastor’s discourse on race and understand nothing he could say or offer would desensitize this deep seated American dilemma . You would have thought for minute that Reverend Wright was running for the office of president, as opposed to Senator Obama with the kind of scrutiny and interest he was gathering. Yet, the controversial Reverend John Hagee of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas endorsed Senator John McCain and Hagee has voiced some mean and hate filled things in the pulpit and on national broadcast about the religion of Islam and Muslims. Hagee’s remarks has consistently been racist toward Arab Muslims and discriminatory in intent, as well as being anti-Islam. He receives huge sums of money from various Zionist organizations, including from the State of Israel and is pimping Christianity in the name of white Christian patriotism. Senator McCain received little criticism for his association with Reverend Hagee; this is the type of double standard that Obama will continue to face.

The United States Government has always used dirty tricks to manipulate the ignorant masses and is crafty enough to create infighting amongst its intended victims (progressive whites and blacks) as one of its goals, but the ultimate objectives is polarization—divide and conquer. The true manipulators are hidden behind many covert layers of artful deception and they have enough power to hide their dirty hands. What did Reverend Wright say to make him this evil pariah?

This writer from time-to-time has been very critical of Christianity for negating and refusing to delve into the social, political, and economic struggles that impact black lives on a daily basis. Many of our Black church leaders are fearful of the political reprisals that they may have to endure, if they tell the truth and I have heard many of them say their congregations are not ready. This is a lame excuse that a coward would use to justify their cowardice and anxiety about being in opposition to oppression and tyranny. Thus, the people are ready to be led beyond feel-good sermons that oftentimes are of no consequence other than luring the parishers to sleep and rewarding the minister with a bourgeoisie life style.

Jesus the Christ was a revolutionary and was confronted with a wicked government; Jesus was defiant and controversial, this is why it is easy for me to embrace Reverend Jeremiah Wright because this writer understands the true teachings of Jesus. Jesus would be siding with the oppressed and the downtrodden or the least of these. Senator Obama tried to place Reverend Wright’s ideology and philosophical outlook into a time capsule, as to suggest to America that his perspective had no relevance because his worldview was steeped in an outdated culture experience of the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970’s, which was shaped by racism, discrimination, segregation, etc., and suggested this experience somehow has tainted Reverend Wright’s ability to be objective and analytical when evaluating American style imperialism historically and presently.

James H. Cone professor emeritus and of one of the premier scholars of Black Liberation Theology in his book titled, “Black Theology and Black Power” stated, “The revolutionary attitude of Black Theology stems not only from the need of black people to defend themselves in the presences of white oppression, but also from its identity with biblical theology. Like biblical theology, it affirms the absolute sovereignty of God over his creation. This means that ultimate allegiance belongs to God. Therefore, black people must be taught not to be disturbed about revolution or civil disobedience if the law violates God’s purpose for man. The Christian man is obligated by a freedom grounded in the Creator to break all laws which contradicts human dignity. Through disobedience the state, he affirms his allegiance to God as Creator and his willingness to behave as if he believes it. Civil disobedience is a duty in a racist society. This is why Camilo Torres said, ‘Revolutionary action is a Christian, a priestly struggle.’ ‘’

This era (Civil Rights) in African American history in particular and American history in general, represented the ugly past of America because of the blatant Jim Crow Laws, black lynching, injustices and institutionalize racism, but the laws of physics has an axiom that says for every action there is opposite and equal direct reaction.

Theologian Howard Thurman who authored the book titled, “The Luminous of Darkness” stated, “If being Christian does not demand that all Christians love each other and thereby become deeply engaged in experiencing themselves as human beings, it would seem futile to expect that Christians as Christians would be concerned about the secular community in its gross practices of prejudice and discrimination. If a black Christian and a white Christian, in counter, cannot reach out to each other in mutual realization because of that which they are experiencing in common, then there should be no surprise that the Christian institution has been powerless in the presence of the color bar in society. Rather it has reflected the presences of the color bar within its own institutional life.”

This era produced some of African Americans most formidable freedom fighters and organizations such as the Deacons of Defense and its leader Robert Williams who turned Concord and Gastonia, North Carolina up-sided down and had to eventually seek political asylum in Cuba and China; Black Panther Party for Self-Defense and its two founders Huey P. Newton and Bobby Seale; Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee producing Kwame Ture (Stokley Carmichael), and Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin (H. Rapp Brown), Elijah Muhammad leader of the Nation of Islam, Dr. Martin Luther King leader of Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Fannie Lou Hamer of the Mississippi Democratic Freedom Party, Imari Obadele the Republic of New Africa, etc.

Reverend Wright like any sane person can not forget the collective history and collective suffering of African American people, no more than the Jews being asked to forget Auschwitz and death camps. If anyone even thought to suggest this they would be categorically labeled anti-Semitic and condemned by the forces of Zionism. Reverend Wright was very clear, but it is Senator Obama who has selective amnesia and is speaking as an apologist for a system of injustice.

Wyatt Tee Walker in his book titled, “Spirits That Dwell In Deep Woods: The Prayer and Praise Hymns of the Black Religious Experience” stated, “Afro-centric theology proceeds from a different center than does Euro-centric theology. Theology of African-Americans issues from our pain predicament (which was pervasive) and thereby, more experiential than reflective ours is a learned and lived theology. This is not to suggest that religious faith of African-Americans is impoverished to Continental theological musings but only that Afro-centricity is dominant.”

Patrick Henry stated “ give me liberty or give me death”. Reverend Wright is a good patriot because he will not stand idly and be silent in the face of injustice, but offers America a mirror in order to draw attention to her arrogance and to expose this nation’s social and political contradictions. This writer happens to agree with Reverend Wright’s criticism of United States Foreign Policy in Iraq, Cuba, Africa, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Afghanistan, etc. And how they have used terrorism to isolate foreign governments that would not go along with President George W. Bush one World Government initiatives, which was set in motion with the September 11, 2001 hoax that led to so many reactionary executive orders and turned the United States Constitution into a worthless piece of paper.

We did not need Reverend Wright to tell us that something was sinister about 9-11 most people to date know that Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda had absolutely nothing to do with the bombing of the World Trade Center Towers in New York; what Reverend Wright was allege to have said does not rate on the radar scale with the level of deception and dishonesty of the United States Government. A shrewd enemy decided to use Reverend Wright as a fall guy and a patsy to derail Senator Obama’s bid to become President of the United States. Wright did not invent the racial dilemma in America and any speech he gives must be viewed as mere hot air because he does not have any weapons to confront institutionalize racism with all its arsenal.

This entire Obama and Wright fiasco is a diversionary tactic perhaps created by Bill and Hillary Clinton, two old allies of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberger appealing to the deep seated fears and guilt of Americans and more importantly America’s failure to rectify a 453 year old issue that racism created and have been in denial. Moreover, Reverend Wright’s critique of America was no different than Minister Malcolm X in the 1960s; why not evaluate the truth or falsity of Wright’s words? As opposed to formulating an irrational assessment from an out of context sound bite.

Reverend Jeremiah Wright stated, “God as seen by those who are the underside of society is not the same God as seen by those who are ‘on top’. The religion of the slave and the religion of the slave holder are by definition two different religions; and the gods that they serve are by extension two different gods. The God of Africans in disapora is consistent with the God of the Bible who enters into history on the side of the oppressed, in the corner of those ‘on the underside’, and fighting the cause of the slaves and the descendants of slaves. . .God was known by Africans long before the first Muslim slave ship carried them across the Indian Ocean in the East African Slave Trade; and this same God who ‘sits high and looks low’ is a God of justice, love and mercy. He is a God who is ‘writing all the time’ and there is nothing that escapes His attention.”

They then force African Americans to choose between Obama and Reverend Wright, the old divide and conquer scheme. Obama is a political animal and he will say and do anything to elevate himself to the next political level even if it means repudiating and disavowing his longtime friend and confidante. The media has painted Reverend Wright as anti-American, but President Bush and Dick Chaney in my opinion are more anti-American than Reverend Wright could ever be because their oppressive legacy and their policy of “dumbing” down America will impact us for generations to come.

It became convenient to blame the so-called radical Islamic fundamentalist for a crime they did not commit and the real criminals were receiving no bid contracts and running Halliburton behind enemy lines with hired mercenaries such as Blackwater USA serving as their private military force and have now stolen trillions of dollars in oil revenue from Iraq. These criminals have no legal boundaries, they have committed high crimes and low misdemeanors from the White House that is worthy of impeachment and imprisonment. The Iraqi war has wrecked the United States economy, which has cost American taxpayers over 600 billion dollars and to the detriment over 4000 United States Servicemen lives. The United States occupation of Iraq is an out-law act with a criminal intent--stealing oil.

U.S. military aggression in the so-called Middle East has fueled anti-American sentiments throughout the region and is the impetus that drives international terrorism. Bush has created enemies throughout the Islamic world and this formidable enemy will not back down. Senator John McCain, the Republican Party presidential nominee said he would commit U. S. soldiers for another 100 years to war in Iraq; either he is an idiot or he himself has a vested interest in continuing Bush's foreign policy of stealing oil in name of combating terrorism.

Reverend Jeremiah Wright is not the first American to take issue with United States Foreign Policy and he will not be the last. If the American people had any sense they too would demand more integrity and accountability from our policy makers. The United States Congress, which a majority are Democrats have been equal culprits in their continued efforts to finance Bush's war while its own citizens do have adequate health care and the sub-prime crisis have left many good Americans homeless. Nevertheless, we witness the Federal Reserve and its Chairman Ben Bernanke bailout a private investment firm Bear Stearns, but has not bailout the suffering American people; this move was unprecedented since the 1913 establishment of the Federal Reserve System, which the United States Government and citizens turned its monetary system over to the twelve Central Banks. Bernanke and Federal Reserve give George Bush and the U.S. Congress orders.

This writer does not think the focus should be on Reverend Jeremiah Wright's words in this 2008 campaign unless we are willing to analyze and assess his words in order to help lead this nation toward a new national and international direction. America is in trouble and she does not need leaders who are placating and desiring to continue business as usual. Senator Obama's speech on race was well written and well crafted, but it only serves as a temporary band aid to a complex issue. He failed to mention reparations and although Florida, Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey have all passed state legislation issuing African Americans official state apologies for slavery.

But here is the problem, why has not the United States Government issued African Americans an official governmental apology, as well put their money next to their mouths? Congressman John Conyers; House of Representative Chairman of the United States Judiciary Committee has had a Bill in Congress for over 20 years just to study the possibility of reparations and it has been met with deceitful filibustering . Senator Obama is no authority on race relations and he does not speak for the masses of black people. The real teacher on race was Reverend Jeremiah Wright and not his student Senator Obama and America could have benefited from an open and candid discussion; if only Jeremiah Wright would have delivered a national address on race.

Michael Eric Dyson in his book titled, “Race Rules: Navigating the Color Line” stated, “Christianity insisted there was a need to save the savages from their own cultural deficits. White Christians sought to rescue slaves from perdition by making sure what little soul they had was made suitable for the Kingdom of God. Christianity gave theological legitimacy, and racial justification, to widely held beliefs about black inferiority. It also sanctified the brutal methods deemed necessary to tame the beastly urges of black Africans. White society exploited black labor. White Christianity made it appear that God was behind the whole scheme. Some argued that God used slavery as a tool to bring backward Africans to America. They believed God used white slavers to save black souls by subjugating their bodies. Christian theology shook hands with slavery and sailed off into the sunset of white supremacy.”

The media has painted and portrayed Wright's comments as being militant and that of Black Nationalism and out of political motives has found Senator Obama guilty by association. Also it did not help that Trinity United Church of Christ and Reverend Wright’s image by giving Minister Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, a life time achievement award that he so rightly deserved for his over fifty (50) years of work in the black community . They, the media initially were going to use Minister Farrakhan against Senator Obama, but they found a more suitable candidate in Reverend Wright. Minister Farrakhan failed short of endorsing Senator Obama, but at his annual February Saviours Day Convention held in honor of the birthday (February 26, 1877) of Nation of Islam founder Master Fard Muhammad. He described Obama as the last hope for America.

Minister Farrakhan stated, “I ask that we pray for our brother. I’m not asking for votes. I’m asking a nation, the Nation of Islam and people of goodwill, pray for this young man {Senator Obama} and his family. . .the enemy is working right now. He wants to find a way to get at Farrakhan. What is wrong with Farrakhan that you have to make Farrakhan a litmus test for any Black person who strives for betterment, for elevation in society? Let’s give them the Farrakhan test. I’ve taking tests. I’ve never been in a classroom where a test is only applied to one student in the class. If you’re going to give someone the litmus test give it to all the presidential candidates. Don’t single out one man and say let’s give him the Farrakhan test. Why not give it to (Sen.) Hillary (Clinton)? What are you trying to do to our brother? Why do you hate him so, that you want to make me a stumbling block? That’s why you have never heard me make any comment. I love that brother, and I want to see that brother successful. I don’t want to say anything that would hurt that brother, and I don’t want them to use me or the Nation of Islam.”

Farrakhan in the past has been at the center of controversy when in 1984 Reverend Jesse Jackson was running for the office of president and had numerous death threats against his life; moreover, the United States Secret Service initially did not give Jackson security and Minister Farrakhan ordered his Fruit of Islam (the Nation of Islam security force) to protect Jackson. This was the beginning of a political race that was derailed by race, class and religion, which led to accusations of anti-Semitism and eventually Reverend Jackson was force to repudiate his friend Minister Farrakhan just as Senator Obama is being forced to repudiate his friend and mentor Reverend Wright; perhaps the same enemy was behind both of these incidents.

Black ministers and preachers must continue to use their pulpits, which to educate and socially agitate because anything short of that would be a compromise to the teachings of Jesus the Christ. Reverend Wright should be a standard barrier, he was just not interested in saving souls, but he preached a social gospel that was defiant, confrontational, constructive and yes, at times critical of modern day Pharaoh (United States Government). We do not need anymore inside the box teachings because only honesty has the power to save our nation from internal destruction and we must be willing to call a spade a spade. Reverend Wright did not enact the United States Patriot Act, Military Commission Act, Forfeiture Seizure Act, Anti Terrorism Bill, invent the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, rearranged the Geneva Convention Laws, etc. These chess board moves are much more dangerous than anything Farrakhan or Wright could ever say or do.

We just should not hold these controversial black leaders to a higher standard and not hold our elected officials to an even higher standard because they are the ones with the power and leverage, which to alter the political course of America. This writer does not think offering critical analysis of our government should be viewed as being less patriotic or anti-American than someone expressing political optimism. The First Amendment Right protects the likes of Jeremiah Wright, a voice of dissent, as well as those flag waving patriots; however, anytime one takes opposition to the popular view, you will automatically be ridiculed or ostracized for daring to challenge the political and social norms of the status quo.

Jeremiah Wright is a true Christian, the Roman Government called Jesus controversial and radical, we need someone today that can perform miracles--give sight to the blind, restore the hearing of the deaf, and make the lame walk. So many of our leaders and preachers say what is political expedient and turn a blind eye to what is morally and ethically right--my pursuit is not politics nor do I put much credence in organized religion---my quest is Freedom, Justice, and Equality.

Fahim A. Knight Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at
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Air Traffic Controllers Do Track Planes Even with Transponders Off

Monday, March 31, 2008

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Before 9/11, no transponder had ever become inactive, and so the military and FAA didn't have any experience on how to track planes with their transponders off. Right?

Well, a Miami-Herald article from September 14, 2001, states:

The transponder [on Flight 77] went off about 9 a.m., the company said.

At that moment, the flight would have been under the control of the Indianapolis Air Route Traffic Control Center, one of 20 regional centers that track flights between airports.

The trouble should have been instantly noticeable, traffic controllers say.

Flight 77, like other planes, at first showed up on radar screens as a short solid line, with a readout that identifies the plane and gives its altitude and speed. When the transponder shuts down, the short line vanishes. The speed number goes away, too.

"It's just something that catches your eye,'' one controller says.

And it's not that unusual. Transponders fail from time to time; commercial aircraft are required to carry a spare. Although it isn't clear what happened in the case of Flight 77, a controller's first move typically would be to contact the pilot, and tell them the transponder wasn't working.

The official hijacking protocols provide that the loss of transponder signal be treated as a "no radio" emergency. On 9/11, that is exactly what happened, at least for some of the flights (The protocols also state: "The NORAD control facility shall be advised if the hijacked aircraft is squawking a different transponder code". In other words, the moment a plane stops broadcasting the normal transponder code, NORAD is immediately notified).

As former air traffic controller Robin Hordon, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says:

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing “IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES” such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire “national defense-first responder” intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. In the same ten years, there were ZERO "low speed, delayed reaction, and low priority" hijacking scrambles reported, which means that the only time interceptors were ever scrambled for ten years before 9/11, they were using the high speed immediate scrambles.

On 9/11, Flight 77 was in fact tracked on radar, and could have been intercepted with fighter jets. However, the plane was allowed to go on a joy-ride all over the country with its transponder off for three-quarters of an hour. As the above-quoted Miami-Herald article states:
Forty-five minutes. That's how long American Airlines Flight 77 meandered through the air headed for the White House, its flight plan abandoned, its radar beacon silent.

* * *

Who was watching in those 45 minutes?

"That's a question that more and more people are going to ask,'' said one controller in Miami. "What the hell went on here? Was anyone doing anything about it? Just as a national defense thing, how are they able to fly around and no one go after them?''

Even with the transponder silent, the plane should have been visible on radar, both to controllers who handle cross-continent air traffic and to a Federal Aviation Administration command center outside of Washington, according to air traffic controllers.

The FAA, which handles air traffic control, would not discuss the track of Flight 77 or what happened in air-control centers while it was in flight. Neither would American Airlines.


But even if the plane remained silent, controllers could still find it -- by switching their screen display to the old-fashioned radar that bounces a signal off the plane's metal skin.


Military jets are routinely scrambled in the case of hijackings and "runners,'' planes that do not answer or do not heed air traffic controllers. But FAA officials would not say when controllers detected the errant Flight 77 or whether any fighter jets were able to get into the air to confront it.

Fighter jets are based nearby, in Virginia, and could have reached the White House within minutes, aviation sources say.

Dick Cheney also monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon (confirmed here).

Similarly, an ABC News article states:
"Controllers at the Boston Center knew American Airlines Flight 11, which departed at 7:59 a.m. ET from Boston for its flight to Los Angeles, was hijacked 30 minutes before it crashed. They tracked it to New York on their radar scopes. 'I watched the target of American 11 the whole way down,' said Boston controller Mark Hodgkins. "
And air traffic controllers and others tracked Flight 175.

Indeed, radar data declassified in 2006 shows that the planes were tracked on radar virtually their entire flight, and that altitude was known for the planes during most of their flight (only flight 77 was purportedly off-radar for part of its flight).

And, as recounted by a high-level Secret Service agent:
"Through monitoring radar and activating an open line with the FAA, the Secret Service was able to receive real time information about . . . two hijacked aircraft as they approached Washington, D.C. "
Norad Admits Planes Show Up on Radar Even with Transponders Turned Off

Even Neads, the Northeastern sector of Norad, admits that the hijacked planes would have appeared on radar as dashes even after the transponders had been turned off:

Because they had been informed its transponder was off, [Neads] knew to look for a tiny dash instead of the usual dot.

A similar report states:

NEADS Staff Sergeant Larry Thornton says, “Once we were called by the FAA, we could find split-second hits on what we thought we were looking for. . . We were looking for little dash marks . . . .”
But the government claims that it could not locate the hijacked planes because the skies were crowded with other planes, and the military air traffic controllers could not find the planes among all of the plane signals. As NEADS' Thornton said:

"But the area was so congested and it was incredibly difficult to find. We were looking for little dash marks in a pile of clutter and a pile of aircraft on a two-dimensional scope.” Each fluorescent green pulsating dot on their radar scopes represents an airplane, and there are thousands currently airborne, especially over the busy northeast US.
However, the hijacked planes flew in many areas which were not high-traffic areas.

Moreover, it makes no sense that air traffic controllers could not focus their radar scopes solely on airplanes without transponder signals. In other words, let's say a Cuban jet flew onto the East Coast of the United States without any transponder signal. Would Norad say "Sorry, we lost the bad guy's nuclear-armed fighter jet amidst all the commuter flights"?

That makes no sense.

Remember that Norad had run drills for several years of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, and "numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft". In other words, drills using REAL AIRCRAFT simulating terrorist attacks crashing jets into buildings, including the twin towers, were run. See also this short excerpt of a Peter Jennings newscast on 9/11. Moreover, the military had previously run war games involving multiple, simultaneous hijackings , so this aspect of 9/11 was not as overwhelming as we have been led to believe..

Air traffic control radar, or at least military radar, must -- with the push of a button -- be able to use computer programming to hide all data for planes which have been accounted for as normal, civilian airplanes. In other words, those with working transponder signals. Even if air traffic controllers have to switch from secondary to primary radar, there must be a function for the computer to remove from primary radar signals which include transponder data.

If that were not the case, America's trillion-dollar defense system would be rendered useless.


Last-Minute Pilots, Passengers, and Flight Attendants: The Unexplained Oddity of 9/11

In all the valuable research that has been conducted into 9/11, a significant detail has so far been mostly overlooked: An examination of news reports and other accounts reveals that a surprising proportion of the people on the four targeted planes had only been booked onto those flights at the last minute, often the day before or even the morning of September 11. Pilots on three of the four planes, more than half of all the flight attendants, and many passengers--including almost half those on Flight 93--were not originally booked to be on those flights.

It is difficult to dismiss all this evidence as mere coincidence. There must be specific reasons that we do not yet know about. For the truth to be uncovered will require further study by independent researchers, scrutiny by the press, and proper formal investigations of the 9/11 attacks.

Below is a summary of these latecomers to the four planes: American Airlines Flights 11 and 77, and United Airlines Flights 175 and 93.


The pilot at the controls of Flight 11--the first plane to hit the World Trade Center--before it was supposedly hijacked was John Ogonowski. However, as the Georgetown Record reported: "American Airlines Captain Walter Sorenson of Groveland was scheduled to fly Flight #11 on Sept. 11, 2001. He was disappointed when he was replaced by Captain John Ogonowski, who had seniority over Sorenson and requested to fly that day. ... The last-minute change of pilots ... spared Sorenson's wife Sarah the untimely loss of a young husband." [1] On Flight 77, which supposedly hit the Pentagon, the pilot and co-pilot were Charles Burlingame and David Charlebois. But, as the New York Times reported: "Bill Cheng, an American Airlines pilot who normally flies Flight 77, changed his plans in late August [2001] and applied for time off on Tuesday [September 11] so he could go camping. When another pilot signed up for the slot, Mr. Cheng's application was accepted." [2] Whether it was Burlingame or Charlebois that replaced him is unstated. And the pilot of Flight 93 was Jason Dahl. But according to the Denver Post: "Dahl piloted United Flight 93 on Sept. 11 because he asked to. At his request, [his wife] traded for the flight on their home computer. He'd wanted to get back to Ken-Caryl Valley sooner to start celebrating their fifth wedding anniversary. Days after the request, Dahl's terrorist-invaded plane took a nose dive in a Pennsylvania field." [3] Dahl took Flight 93 in exchange for a flight he'd been booked on later that month. [4]


Flight 11: There were nine flight attendants on American Airlines Flight 11 the morning of 9/11. At least four of them were not originally booked to be on this flight, but had recently been assigned to it. Barbara "Bobbi" Arestegui "was not scheduled to work Flight 11 that day but had accepted extra flights. She was saving up vacation to take a trip with her boyfriend to Vermont at the end of this month." [5] Jeffrey Collman "didn't normally work the Boston-to-Los Angeles route but made an exception to get vacation time at the end of the month." [6] Jean Roger was a relatively new flight attendant, and every third month was placed on a "standby" work list. On September 11, "Someone called in sick and she had to go." [7] And Sara Low also "was not originally scheduled to work the flight." [8]

Flight 175: There were seven flight attendants on this plane on 9/11, at least four of whom had only recently been assigned to it. Robert Fangman was a reserve attendant for Flight 175, and was on it by chance. He replaced Elise O'Kane, who'd been on the flight regularly for the previous six months. When she was signing up for her flights for the month, O'Kane entered an incorrect code into the computer, which scheduled her instead for flights from Boston to Denver. She later said "she had never made such an error in 16 years as a flight attendant." She had subsequently "made several attempts to switch onto the flight, but had computer problems." [9] Another original attendant was Elaine Lawrence. However, "because she was going on vacation, she traded shifts with her close friend, Amy Jarret." [10] Lauren Gurskis was also one of the original attendants. "In August of [2001], however, she switched assignments--trip-traded, as flight attendants call it--so that she could drive her son to his first day of kindergarten." According to the Boston Globe, Kathryn Laborie was most likely the attendant that replaced her. [11] One more of the original attendants, Barbara McFarland, had "decided to spend an extra day with her son," and so she "swapped shifts with another attendant." The name of this attendant is unstated. [12]

Flight 77: Of the four attendants on this plane, at least two were not originally scheduled to be on it. Michele Heidenberger regularly flew from Washington's Reagan National Airport to Dallas, but on 9/11 was unusually flying out of Dulles Airport on Flight 77. When Heidenberger phoned her friend Toni Knisley, an administrator at Reagan Airport, shortly before boarding her plane, Knisley was surprised, saying: "What are you doing at Dulles? Aren't you flying your regular turn to Dallas today?" Heidenberger explained: "I'm working Flight 77 to LA because I want to take time off in October to go to Italy with [my husband] and the kids." [13] Renee May was only assigned to Flight 77 during the morning of 9/11. American Airlines had earlier called another attendant, Lena Brown, and asked her to take the flight, but Brown said she would be unable to get to the airport in time. "Renee May, the next flight attendant on American Airlines' list, accepted." [14]

Flight 93: At least three of the five attendants on this flight were not originally booked to be on it. Sandra Bradshaw "liked working first class," but "was in economy because she'd picked up Flight 93 late in the planning." She had "switched flights with another attendant." [15] Wanda Green "had been scheduled to fly Sept. 13, but Green, who also worked as a real estate agent, realized she had to handle the closing of a home sale Sept. 13. She'd phoned her best friend, fellow flight attendant Donita Judge, who opened United's computerized schedule and shifted Green to the Sept. 11 flight." [16] Deborah Welsh "usually avoided early-morning flights," and "was not originally slated to be on Flight 93, but was assigned to the flight when she swapped shifts." [17]

It wasn't just pilots and flight attendants who'd joined the doomed flights late. A large number of the passengers had similarly not originally been booked on these aircraft.


Flight 11: Alexander Filipov "originally held a ticket for a Delta flight, but switched at the last minute to American Flight 11." [18] Edmund Glazer had got a call from his company's home office in Los Angeles the night of September 10, asking for his help on a major project. "In his obliging way, Mr. Glazer boarded Flight 11 the next morning." [19] Pendyala Vamsikrishna "was to leave Boston on Sept. 10, but hadn't finished his job, and rescheduled for the following day on American Airlines Flight 11." [20] Brian Dale "was supposed to have flown Monday night. But the Warren, NJ, man instead opted to fly out Tuesday morning." [21] Peter Hashem "had been scheduled to take an earlier flight but postponed the trip in order to make time to attend his son's soccer game." [22] Robin Kaplan had also been scheduled to take an earlier flight, but "she would have had to get up too early, so she didn't." [23] David Angell and his wife Lynn "were on board [Flight 11], even though they had originally planned to take a later flight." [24] David Kovalcin "wasn't supposed to fly to California until later this week." But his company's managers "were looking for someone to leave on Tuesday to discuss a hardware problem with a supplier. He volunteered." [25] Christopher Mello had originally "planned to return home on a red-eye flight the next day." [26] And Kenneth Waldie "was supposed to leave Wednesday, but he got the flight the day before." [27]

Flight 175: Touri Bolourchi "was not supposed to be aboard Flight 175, but she decided to stay a few extra days in Boston to visit her daughter and two grandchildren." [28] Francis Grogan "was not originally booked on Flight 175, but overcrowding on his original flight bumped him." [29] Mark Bavis "was originally scheduled for the 11 a.m. departure but pushed it up a few hours." [30] And Daniel Brandhorst, Ronald Gamboa, and their adopted son David, "changed their flight plans so they could return to Los Angeles from Boston on Sept. 11." Brandhorst's mother had "thought her son was flying the previous night." [31]

Flight 77: Barbara Olson, who flew on Flight 77 on 9/11, was originally "scheduled to fly to Los Angeles on the night of Sept. 10," but "changed her schedule ... to be with her husband on the morning of his 61st birthday." [32] Barbara Edwards "had gone to Connecticut for a wedding and was supposed to return home Saturday [September 8]." But, "her friends talked her into staying with them so she took the flight that crashed into the Pentagon." [33] Vicki Yancey "had planned to leave Washington earlier, but ticketing problems delayed her departure." [34] After a vacation with their daughter, husband and wife Shuyin Yang and Yuguang Zheng were "scheduled to leave for China on September 10." But as they had only finished their vacation on September 9, their daughter "felt it might be a hassle for my parents [to] leave [in] just like a couple hours and to get on the plane. So, I have them to reschedule their flight ticket to September 11." [35] Dora Menchaca was in Washington for two days of meetings. "The meetings ended late Monday [September 10], a day earlier than expected." So, "The next morning, flying on standby, she caught an earlier-than-scheduled departure to California." [36] Ruben Ornedo was originally scheduled to fly two weeks after 9/11. But "during a lull in an extended Washington business trip he seized the chance to rush home for a day or two and see his wife." [37] One group of passengers on Flight 77 comprised eight individuals: three teachers and three 11-year-old students who had been selected to participate in a program at the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, accompanied by two staff members of the National Geographic Society. According to a close friend of one of the teachers, Sarah Clark, "She was originally supposed to go to Florida, but two weeks [before 9/11] they changed it and told her she was going to California." [38]

There were likely more passengers who were only booked onto these flights at the last minute, but I have simply not yet come across the reports describing this. And it seems reasonable to assume there were even more of these late additions to the flights, where the details of these individuals' travel arrangements have so far gone unreported.

In the case of Flight 93, however, since the official story revolves around the heroism of the passengers who supposedly fought back against terrorists, we have the fortune that a lot more has been written about these individuals and how they came to be on that flight. What has been reported is extraordinary: Of the 33 passengers (excluding the four supposed hijackers), at least 16 had only recently been booked onto the plane. Some only joined it early in the morning of September 11.

Flight 93: Environmental lawyer Alan Beaven arranged to take Flight 93 on 9/11 the day before, as he was duty-bound to go to San Francisco to help settle a case after talks had just broken down. [39] "Normally," passenger Todd Beamer "would have left [for San Francisco] the night before." But on September 10 he had returned from a trip to Italy and wanted some time with his children before flying out. [40] Edward Felt "was on a last-minute business trip to San Francisco." [41] Sisters-in-law Patricia Cushing and Jane Folger had "moved up the time of their flight" in the days before 9/11. [42] Mark Bingham "had missed his plane the day before because of a hangover from a friend's birthday party." [43] Jeremy Glick "was supposed to leave Monday night, but there were problems at the airport: He decided to wait 'til Tuesday morning." [44] Nicole Miller's "Monday night ... flight back to the Bay Area was canceled due to weather. Miller re-booked on a flight the next morning." [45] Lou Nacke "only booked his seat the night before. He had a customer on the coast with an inventory problem and offered to fly out first thing Tuesday morning to fix it." [46] When she'd checked in at the airport on September 11, Georgine Corrigan switched to Flight 93, as it was non-stop, whereas her original plane would be making two stops on the way to San Francisco. [47]

A number of the Flight 93 passengers were originally booked on United Airlines Flight 91, scheduled to depart 1 hour 20 minutes after Flight 93, at 9:20 a.m. Deora Bodley "was supposed to take United Flight 91, but decided the night before to take one an hour earlier so she could get home sooner to her family and boyfriend." [48] Christine Snyder "called to check on her flight, Flight 91," early in the morning of September 11, and "moved up to Flight 93 for an earlier start." [49] Lauren Grandcolas "had been scheduled for United 91, but her car service had arrived at the airport early." [50] Husband and wife Donald and Jean Peterson "arrived at the airport early for United Flight 91 ... so they switched to Flight 93." [51] Tom Burnett, according to author Jere Longman, "had changed his plans. ... He would be leaving at 8 a.m. instead of taking Flight 91." (The San Francisco Chronicle said, however, that he'd originally been booked on a Delta Airlines flight that afternoon.) [52]


[1] Sally Applegate, "Flight 11 Crew Not Forgotten." Georgetown Record, September 18, 2003. Credit to Woody Box for having found this little-known information.
[2] Elaine Sciolino and John H. Cushman Jr., "A Route out of Washington, Horribly Changed." New York Times, September 13, 2001.
[3] Susan Besze Wallace, "Legacy of Sept. 11 Pilot Comforts Widow." Denver Post, December 16, 2001.
[4] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes: United Flight 93 and the Passengers and Crew Who Fought Back. New York: HarperCollins, 2002, p. 1.
[5] "The Attack on America Hits Home." Cape Cod Times, September 10, 2002.
[6] "Among the Lost: Victims Included CEO, Researcher." Seattle Times, September 17, 2001.
[7] "Jean Destrehan Roger." Chicago Tribune, September 15, 2001.
[8] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001.
[9] Wendy Killeen, "Flight Attendant Changes Course." Boston Globe, May 22, 2005; "Twists of Fate: Stories from 9/11." CNN Presents, CNN, October 8, 2005.
[10] Michael Taylor, "Airline Passengers Keeping Eyes Peeled." San Francisco Chronicle, October 23, 2001.
[11] Joseph P. Kahn, "The Flight Not Taken." Boston Globe, September 8, 2002.
[12] Meg Murphy, "Flight Workers: 'It Could Have Been Any of Us.'" Cape Cod Times, September 14, 2001; Meg Murphy, "Three Cape Flight Attendants Reflect on Returning to Air." Cape Cod Times, March 10, 2002.
[13] Tom Murphy, Reclaiming the Sky: 9/11 and the Untold Story of the Men and Women Who Kept America Flying. New York: AMACOM, 2006, pp. 42-43.
[14] Eunice Moscoso, "Not All Airline Pilots Want to be Armed." Atlanta Journal-Constitution, August 9, 2002; Cynthia Kopkowski, "Stewardess Returns to Work after Passing on Ill-Fated Flight." Daily Reflector, September 11, 2002.
[15] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny." Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, October 28, 2001; Maria C. Johnson, "Mother Wants People to Remember Bradshaw, Sept. 11." Greensboro News-Record, September 3, 2006.
[16] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny."
[17] Kim Barker, Louise Kiernan, and Steve Mills, "The Heroes of Flight 93." Chicago Tribune, October 2, 2001; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash." Associated Press, September 9, 2006.
[18] "Their Lives, Deaths Touch Us All." Chicago Tribune, September 13, 2001.
[19] "Charming the Snake and the Husband; Making the Fire Drills Count." New York Times, June 2, 2002.
[20] Steve Lopez, "When Love Stands Bravely against Unbearable Grief." Los Angeles Times, October 24, 2001.
[21] "Bittersweet Memories of Lives Cut Short." Chicago Tribune, September 17, 2001.
[22] "Region Remembers Terrorism Victims." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001.
[23] Alice Dembner and Bella English, "Firm and Families Mourn Seven Women." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001.
[24] Amy Goldstein and Cheryl W. Thompson, "Jet Crash Victims' Stories Start to Emerge." Washington Post, September 12, 2001.
[25] Liz Kowalczyk and Beth Healy, "After Tragedy, Executives Feel Invincible No More." Boston Globe, September 13, 2001.
[26] Ibid.
[27] "American Flight 11 Victims at a Glance."
[28] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence." Chicago Tribune, September 14, 2001.
[29] "United Flight 175 Victims at a Glance." Associated Press, September 25, 2001.
[30] Jim McCabe, "Team Players Bavis Was at Center of Extended Family." Boston Globe, September 16, 2001.
[31] John Glionna and Joe Mozingo, "Lurched into Grief, Families Are Left Only with Questions." Los Angeles Times, September 13, 2001; "A Spitball-Shooting Executive, a Frank Zappa Fan, and the Lawn King." New York Times, March 31, 2002.
[32] "Barbara Olson: A Sparkling Celebrity 'Full of Energy.'" Newsday, February 27, 2002.
[33] Shawn D. Lewis, "Memorial Day Recalls Pain of 9/11." Detroit News, May 27, 2002.
[34] "Calls to Family ... Then Silence."
[35] United States of America v. Zacarias Moussaoui. United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division, April 11, 2006, pp. 59-60.
[36] John Scheibe, "Thousand Oaks, Calif., Scientist among Dead in Hijacking." Knight Ridder, September 14, 2001; "Dora Menchaca." Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2001.
[37] "Ruben Ornedo." Los Angeles Times, September 17, 2001.
[38] "Team from National Geographic Killed in Pentagon Crash." National Geographic News, September 12, 2001; "Maryland's Lost." Baltimore Sun, September 19, 2001.
[39] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination." San Francisco Chronicle, September 17, 2001; Peter Hecht, "A Spiritual Journey Aborted on Flight 93." Sacramento Bee, September 30, 2001.
[40] Angie Cannon, "Final Words from Flight 93." US News and World Report, October 21, 2001.
[41] "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash."
[42] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 35.
[43] Karen Breslau, "Courage in the Air." Newsweek, September 27, 2001.
[44] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love." NBC News, September 11, 2006.
[45] Oakley Brooks, "School Daze." Saratoga News, September 26, 2001.
[46] Jane Pauley, "No Greater Love."
[47] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12; "Victims in the Flight 93 Crash."
[48] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination."
[49] Dennis B. Roddy, "Flight 93: Forty Lives, One Destiny."
[50] Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 12.
[51] Ibid. p. 16.
[52] Jaxon Van Derbeken, "Bound by Fate, Determination"; Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 8.

HIV-AIDS was created with the use of Gay men as targets for Eugenic experiments suggests U.S. doctor

Mon 31. Mar 2008

by Alan Cantwell, M.D

U.S. investigative researchers

There is no doubt that AIDS erupted in the U.S. shortly after government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments (1978-1981) using gay men as guinea pigs. The epidemic was caused by the "introduction" of a new retrovirus (the human immunodeficiency virus, or HIV for short); and the introduction of a new herpes-8 virus, the virus that causes Kaposi's sarcoma, widely known as the "gay cancer" of AIDS. The taboo theory that AIDS is a man-made disease is largely based on research showing an intimate connection between government vaccine experiments and the outbreak of "the gay plague"

The widely accepted theory is that HIV/AIDS originated in a monkey or chimpanzee virus that "jumped species" in Africa. However, it is clear that the first AIDS cases were recorded in gay men in Manhattan in 1979, a few years before the epidemic was first noticed in Africa in 1982. It is now claimed that the human herpes-8 virus (also called the KS virus), discovered in 1994, also originated when a primate herpes virus jumped species in Africa. How two African species-jumping viruses ended up exclusively in gay men in Manhattan beginning in the late 1970s has never been satisfactorily explained.

Researchers who claim AIDS is a man-made disease believe it is much more likely that these two primate viruses were introduced and spread during the government's recruitment of thousands of male homosexuals beginning in 1974.

Large numbers of gay men in Manhattan donated blood for the experimental hepatitis B vaccine trial, which took place at the New York Blood Center in Manhattan in 1978. Extensive evidence supporting the man-made theory of AIDS is easily found on the Internet by Googling: man-made origin of AIDS; and in my two books, "AIDS and the Doctors of Death" and "Queer Blood: The Secret AIDS Genocide Plot."

Government interest in "gay health" before the AIDS epidemic

Beginning in the mid-1970s, government scientists became interested in the health of gay men, particularly in the realm of sexually-transmitted diseases, and specifically in the sexual transmission of the hepatitis B virus. The early 1970s was a time when large numbers of gays come out of the closet and identified themselves as homosexuals at government-sponsored health clinics. Organizations such as the Gay Men's Health Project were formed at this time. Promiscuous gays were avidly sought as volunteers to test the efficacy of a newly-developed hepatitis B vaccine manufactured by Merck and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

By 1977 over 13,000 Manhattan gays were screened to secure the final 1083 men who would serve as guinea pigs to test the hepatitis B vaccine. The vaccine was manufactured from the combined plasma of 30 highly selected gay men who carried the hepatitis B virus in their blood. Developed over a period of 65 weeks during 1977-1978 and tested for six months in chimpanzees (the primate in which HIV is thought to have originated), the first group of gay men were inoculated at the New York Blood Center in November 1978.

That same year a final cohort of 6875 homosexual men at the San Francisco City Clinic was assembled to study hepatitis B virus sexual transmission in that city. By the end of the decade gays in clinics in Los Angeles, Denver, Chicago, and St. Louis, also came under surveillance by the Centers for Disease Control. An additional 1402 volunteers were finally selected to participate in similar vaccine experiments in those cities beginning in March 1980.

Before 1978 there was no stored blood anywhere in the U.S. that tested positive for HIV or the KS virus. There were no cases of AIDS and no cases of "gay cancer" in young men.

The first cases of AIDS appeared shortly after the experiment began in Manhattan. In June 1981 the epidemic became official and was quickly labelled the "gay ­related immune deficiency syndrome", later known as AIDS.

The gay community was the most hated minority in America. After the experiments ended, the gay community was decimated by the "gay plague." In the first years of AIDS, the epidemic was largely ignored by the government (see Randy Shilt's best-seller, And the Band Played On) and the disease was blamed on gay anal sex, drugs, and promiscuity. Gays were immediately labelled "high risk."

In my view, what made gay men "high risk" was the fact that they were the exclusive volunteers for government medical experiments that undoubtedly put them at "high risk." The evidence for this conclusion is outlined in this report. Further evidence can be obtained from abstracts of scientific reports available on the Internet at the PubMed website of the National Library of Medicine.

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The gay hepatitis B experiments (1978-1981)

The experimental hepatitis B vaccine injected into gays was unlike any other vaccine previously made. As stated, it was developed in chimpanzees and manufactured in a year-long process of sterilization and purification of the pooled blood of 30 gay men who were hepatitis B virus carriers.

The final group of 1083 selected for the first experiment at the Blood Center were inoculated from November 1978 until October 1979. At one point, there was great concern that the vaccine might be contaminated. According to June Goodfield's Quest for the Killers, p 86, "This was no theoretical fear, contamination having been suspected in one batch made by the National Institutes of Health, though never in Merck's." Each gay man was given three inoculations of the vaccine over a period of three months. The vaccine proved successful with 96% of the men developing protective antibodies against the hepatitis B virus.

It has been assumed by some that these men might have been already immunosuppressed due to promiscuity and venereal disease. Although the young men in the study were indeed "promiscuous" (this was a requirement for entrance into the study), they were in excellent health. Despite many previous sexual partners, these volunteers had never been infected with the hepatitis B virus, which was a requirement for participation in the experiment. Furthermore, the 96% success rate would not have been accomplished if the men were immunosuppressed, because such people often do not respond to the vaccine.

When Robert Gallo's blood test for HIV became available in the mid-1980s, the New York Blood Center's stored gay blood specimens were re-examined. Most astonishing is the fact that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in Manhattan were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (one year before the AIDS epidemic became "official" in 1981). This signifies that Manhattan gays in 1980 had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. In addition, we now know that one out of five gay men (20%) tested positive for the new KS herpes-8 virus in 1982 when stored blood samples from an AIDS trial in New York City were re-examined by epidemiologists at the NCI in 1999.

Never mentioned by AIDS historians is the fact that the New York Blood Center established a chimp virus laboratory for viral vaccine research in West Africa in 1974. One of the purposes of VILAB II, in Robertsfield, Liberia, was to develop the hepatitis B vaccine in chimps. The lab also prides itself by releasing "rehabilitated" (but virus-infected) chimps back into the wild, perhaps accounting for some of the ancestors of HIV and the KS virus found in the jungle by some government researchers. The Virus Cancer Program and the birth of AIDS,

In the decade before AIDS the Virus Cancer Program (1968-1980), sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, attempted to prove that viruses caused human cancer. Ultimately the Program was unsuccessful in providing proof, yet it succeeded in building up the field of animal retrovirology, which led to a more complete understanding of how cancer-causing and immunosuppressive viruses in animals might cause disease in humans. The VCP was also the birthplace of genetic engineering, molecular biology, and the human genome project. As the VCP was winding down in the late 1970s, the gay experiments began in New York City.

The introduction of HIV and the KS herpes virus into gay men during this period (along with some "novel" and now-patented mycoplasmas discovered at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology) miraculously revived the career of Robert Gallo and made him the most famous virologist in the world. And, of course, turned the "failure" of the VCP into a triumph by providing proof that these primate-derived viruses could cause disease in humans.

The fear of the hepatitis B vaccine

When AIDS began there were scattered reports in the medical journals questioning whether the "gay plague" might have its origin in the hepatitis B experiments. It was well-known in medical circles that the vaccine was made from the pooled plasma of gay men - and there was fear that the AIDS agent might be in the vaccine. As a result, when the hepatitis B commercial vaccine became available in July 1982, many people refused to be injected with it.

The fear of the vaccine was readily admitted by the CDC. Nevertheless, in detailed reports the CDC concluded that the vaccine was safe. Although it was clear the hepatitis B vaccine eliminated all "known" viruses, this obviously did not apply to "unknown" viruses at the time, such as HIV and the KS virus.

After HIV was discovered in 1984 some of the vaccine was retested and declared free of HIV. Of course, it was impossible to say whether the vaccine contained the KS virus, because this virus was undiscovered until 1994. I am unaware of any subsequent testing of the vaccine for this herpes KS virus.

Possible contamination problems with the hepatitis vaccine was the impetus that led Luc Montagnier to hunt for a virus in the new gay disease in the autumn of 1982. He began testing batches of human plasma for "reverse transcriptase activity", a biochemical sign indicating the possible presence of a retrovirus. (See page 46 of his book "Virus"). Montagnier's research eventually led to the first discovery of the AIDS virus at the Pasteur Institute in Paris.

Although the CDC and the New York Blood Center claimed it was safe, many health professionals refused the hepatitis B vaccine. In 1985, only 23 out of 162 Rhode Island dentists agreed to take the vaccine because of concerns about AIDS. As late as 1990, 13 out of 14 black nurses at a university hospital refused to take the vaccine for the same reason.

The fate of the gay men in the gay experiments

The purpose of the gay experiments was to test a vaccine that could immunize people against hepatitis B virus. Infection with this virus could lead to severe liver disease and sometimes to liver cancer. Ironically, an unprecedented explosion of cancer took place in male homosexuals after the experiment. Reports of the fate of these men attest to the fact that participating in the government's experiments was clearly injurious to the health of gay men.

Significantly, there were no reported blood specimens anywhere in the U.S. that were HIV-positive prior to the epidemic in 1979, except in the samples stored at the NYBC.

In a May 12, 1983, letter to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, Cladd Stevens (who supervised the NYBC experiment) wrote : "No cases haves occurred in the vaccine recipients from populations at low risk of AIDS, and there is no excess incidence in the high-risk population." But this proved to be incorrect in later reports co-authored by Stevens.

In a 1985 report Cladd Stevens et al. claimed that seven men (out of 1083) were HIV-positive before they received either vaccine or placebo. If true, this indicates that HIV (and possibly the KS virus) was already present in the blood of Manhattan homosexuals and could have contaminated the pooled blood of gays whose plasma was used to make the vaccine in 1977.

As stated previously, a 1986 report in JAMA showed 20% of the men in the experiment were already infected with HIV by the end of 1981; and by 1984, more than 40% of the men were HIV-positive and doomed to death.

Another follow-up study of 8,906 gay men who donated blood for the hepatitis experiments in Manhattan was released in 1992. Statistical analysis of this group showed that mortality rates for men aged 25-44 began to rise in the 1980s, with AIDS the leading cause of death among young men in New York City. Remarkably, "The all-cause mortality in this cohort in 1988 was 24 times higher that the mortality rate in the cohort before the beginning of the AIDS epidemic."

Was the hepatitis B vaccine contaminated with HIV and the KS virus?

Largely forgotten in AIDS history is the hepatitis B vaccine trial that also took place with 685 gay Dutch volunteers in Amsterdam between November 1980 and December 1981. Unlike the American vaccine makers, the Dutch researchers heated their experimental hepatitis B vaccine for added safety.

A 1986 report of the trial clearly states the AIDS virus "was not transmitted by the heat inactivated hepatitis B vaccine." Of the 685 participants, five were already infected with HIV when the trial began. The researchers theorized that HIV entered the Dutch gay population at the end of the 1970s.

Another follow-up Dutch report of this trial in 1993 again suggests the efficacy of heating the vaccine for safety. (The experimental vaccine was not heated in the U.S. until after all the gay experiments were completed.) At the end of 1982, one year after the Dutch experiment had ended, only As stated previously, a 1986 report in JAMA showed 20% of the men in the experiment were already infected with HIV by the end of 1981; and by 1984, more than 40% of the men were HIV-positive and doomed to death.

7.5% of the Amsterdam men were infected. In contrast, 26.8% of the men in the New York experiment were HIV-positive; and a whopping 42.6% of the San Francisco men were HIV-positive. These statistics showing many men infected in the American trials in 1982 further prove that Cladd Stevens of the NYBC, and the CDC, were incorrect in declaring there was no excess incidence of AIDS in the "high-risk" gay male population.

The fate of all the men who participated in the hepatitis B vaccine trials in six U.S cities has never been revealed. However, it is likely from the statistics presented in JAMA in 1986 that many, if not most, of the men eventually died of AIDS. The actual number of AIDS deaths has never been revealed, nor have the individual medical records been studied. Attempts to secure this information have been rebuffed by the Blood Center, due to the "confidential" nature of the experiment.

"Gay Cancer" and the origin of AIDS

After the introduction of HIV and the KS virus into the U.S. gay male population in the late 1970s, the incidence of KS skyrocketed.

A 1989 report by Biggar found no cases of KS in young men in New York City during the years 1973-1976. But by 1985 the incidence of KS in "never-married men" in Manhattan had increased 1850 times. In San Francisco the rate of KS increased over 2000 times!

KS is now 20,000 times more common in AIDS patients than in the general population. A 1985 autopsy study by Lee Moskowitz of 52 AIDS cases (23 Haitians, 19 gays, 5 intravenous drug abusers, 2 hemophiliacs, and 3 persons at unknown risk) showed that 94% of AIDS patients from the various risk groups had internal KS. The CDC claims KS now occurs in only 15% of gay men (down from 30% at the beginning of the epidemic), but these statistics are not based on current autopsy studies

KS was never a sexually-transmitted disease before the introduction of HIV into gays. For a century after the first reported KS cases were discovered in Vienna in 1872, there was no evidence that KS could be transmitted from person-to-person.

By 1950, a more aggressive "endemic" form of KS was uncovered in African blacks. Still, there was no evidence the disease was transmissible or contagious. Suddenly with the introduction of HIV into the homosexual community, scientists began to view KS as a contagious "gay cancer" out of Africa.

The new KS virus is closely related to a monkey tumour virus, known as herpes virus saimiri, that was extensively studied by researchers in the VCP in the decade before the epidemic. Initially found only in KS from AIDS patients, the new KS virus has also been found in non-AIDS-related KS tumours and in other forms of cancer, such as lymphoma and multiple myeloma.

HIV is a cancer-causing virus. Infection with HIV (with or without the KS virus) has resulted in a noticeable increase in various forms of cancer. A 2005 study of over 4000 AIDS patients showed higher rates of melanoma, basal and squamous cell skin carcinomas, anal carcinoma, prostate carcinoma, and Hodgkin disease, when compared with age-adjusted rates for the general United States population.

The KS virus is now in the U.S. blood supply; and blood is not screened routinely for this virus. A 2001 study indicated that 15% of normal Texas blood donors showed evidence of KS virus infection in the blood. A 2002 study of healthy children (ages 4-13) in South Texas showed that 26% had antibodies to the KS virus in their blood.

Is AIDS a man-made disease?

How did these two viruses of primate origin get into the gay male population to cause AIDS and a contagious form of cancer? AIDS experts blame monkeys and chimps in the African jungle. My research indicates it is much more likely these viruses were introduced during government-sponsored hepatitis B experiments using gays as unsuspecting guinea pigs. Extensive documentation of past "secret medical experiments" by the government can be found on Google. A recent BBC news report (30 Nov 2004) uncovering unauthorized and dangerous HIV drug experiments on infants and children in New York City orphanages can be found by “Googling“: BBC + guinea pig kids.

Until proven otherwise, a "new" HIV retrovirus and a "new" KS virus could easily have been developed in a laboratory as part of the Virus Cancer Program. In the decade before AIDS it was common to transfer and adapt primate retroviruses and herpes viruses into human cells in genetic engineering experiments. Such viruses were deemed potential "candidate human viruses," as clearly stated in the annual progress reports of the VCP. For further details on the relationship of the VCP to the introduction of HIV, Google: virus cancer program + AIDS.

The connection between the hepatitis experiments and the AIDS epidemic was quickly dismissed by government authorities two decades ago. However, it is clear from a review of the scientific literature that the "gay plague" began immediately after the government experiments; and the experiments permanently damaged the health of the gay community, and led to continuing spread of HIV into the "general population."

Are we to believe that all this is merely a coincidence -and that AIDS in America resulted simply from two viruses jumping species in the African jungle? Or is the origin of HIV and AIDS -and the KS virus- related to secret medical research and covert human testing, as suggested here.

About the writer:

Dr. Alan Cantwell is an author of diverse books on the man-made origin of AIDS and the infectious origin of cancer, all published by Aries Rising Press, PO Box 29532, Los Angeles, CA 90029. LINK.

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9/11: Did Barbara Olson really call Ted Olson on 9/11? "Discussion" with Larry King.

March 31, 2008 at 17:24:09

Diary Entry by David Watts

LARRY KING, HOST, LARRY KING LIVE: Tonight we have an unexpected guest, Mr. Ted Olson, the former Solicitor General under George W. Bush. Our "discussion" ... Did Barbara Olson really call Ted Olson on 9/11?


9/11: Did Barbara Olson really call Ted Olson on 9/11? “Discussion” with Larry King.

LARRY KING, HOST, LARRY KING LIVE: Tonight we have an unexpected guest, Mr. Ted Olson, the former Solicitor General under George W. Bush. Ted is here tonight under unusual circumstances. I say that because tonight we were planning on having another good debate about what really did happen on that fateful day back in 2001, 9/11. Popular Mechanics magazine was to send their top expert regarding the scientific evidence of 9/11 to debate a previous debater we had here a few weeks back. We had a Mr. GNIST here supporting the claim by NIST, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, that “Heavy Dust Brought Down Twin Towers.” But after seeing the transcript from that debate -- we thought it was only fair that Popular Mechanics be able to review it since they apparently had not seen the actual debate -- they apparently had a change of heart, not to mention, change of mind. So we were fortunate that someone spotted Ted Olson down in the lobby reading the script of his arguments made to the Supreme Court back in 2000 and he was kind enough to join us.

King: Ted, thanks for coming up and filling in. When Popular Mechanics canceled out, or as I think someone said, called in sick, we were kind of stuck. Anyway,
that case you argued in 2000, Bush v. Gore, is that how you say it Ted, Bush “vee” Gore or should it be Bush versus Gore?

Olson: Saying “vee” is just fine. And you are welcome Larry, I’m glad I am able to help out by filling in.

King: Does reading that transcript bring back a lot of memories, after all that was a really important case? And it was decided in favor of Bush by a narrow majority. There was even controversy among the justices the way it was handled. A lot of people say that changed the course of history. They say this would be a different world if they had been allowed to continue counting all of those ballots and Al Gore was elected. Anyway, I’m sure we at least would have heard a lot more about those drowning polar bears and melting ice caps. Someone showed me the cutest picture of a polar bear hugging a big dog the other day. But anyway Ted, thanks again for coming up. ... Ted, you said something interesting back in 2002. You told the Supreme Court, “It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information.” What did you mean by that?

Olson: Well Larry, I think it speaks for itself.

King: I guess so but, “infinite” covers an awful lot of situations. And giving out “false” information is the same as lying, right?

Olson: You might say that Larry, but there are some things as you might imagine that its best for the people to not know.

King: Such as? ... Well I won’t push you. But geez, when you say “infinite” that could mean we are being lied to all of the time. Doesn’t it? Something doesn’t quite feel right about that Ted. Maybe they didn’t mean “government of the people, by the people and for the people” applied all of the time. I don’t know. .... Ted I don’t
think I gave you a proper introduction. Ted Olson of course for those of you watching, lost his charming wife Barbara who was in the plane that struck the Pentagon on 9/11. She had been a frequent guest here on Larry King live. I know everyone would agree she had a great smile. Ted, I Know you appeared to be holding up so well right after that happened. In fact you came on my show just, I think it was, just three days after that horrible day. Have you been able to completely get over it? I’m sure you miss her.

Olson: It took a long time Larry, and well, I guess I’ll never be completely over it.

King: I didn’t mean to say “completely” over it but, well ... you know what I mean. We talked a little bit about this right afterwards .... you were able to speak with Barbara from the airplane.

Olson: Yes Larry, she called me twice. She told me the plane had been hijacked and the hijackers had herded everyone to the back of the plane, including the pilots.

King: That’s amazing. I mean, did the pilots simply get up and walk to the back of the plane? I mean the Captain, Charles Burlingame -- I’m pretty sure that was his name, was described as a rugged, athletic guy. And he was a former Navy pilot. Those guys are really tough.

Olson: Well, Larry, all I know is what Barbara told me. But I’m sure pilots are just as afraid of cardboard box cutters as anyone else. And when someone points a cardboard box cutter at you, you surrender your airplane. After all, if they kill you, who is going to do the flying?

King: Beats me, but how do you fly the airplane from back in coach? .............. CNN reported at 2:06 AM EDT that Barbara had called you on her cell phone. That was only what, 15 ... 16, hours after her plane had crashed into the Pentagon? You got that information to us right away. Maybe because you were grieving about losing Barbara, you decided to call CNN after midnight. I’m sure you couldn’t sleep .... Then, on this show on September the 14th, we talked about the phone calls she made to you. That was lucky that she had her cell phone with her so she could call.

Olson: I guess you could say that, lucky I mean. Because she had her cell phone, I did get to talk with her. She was so calm and in control.

King: I remember too that you said the second call suddenly went dead. I have the transcript of that show here in front of me and you said, you thought the call went dead “because the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.”

Olson: Yes, that was no doubt the reason, Larry. I remember thinking the cell phone connection must have been lost.

King: Excuse me Ted. Timmy!! You made it! Tim I’m sorry we couldn’t get a hold of you. Popular Mechanics didn’t show up. It’s too bad your dad had to drive you all of the way down here. How are you? You haven’t grown any in the last few weeks I see.

Timmy: No sir. I’m still the second shortest in my class.

King: Tim, you are late again, ha ha. Maybe by the time you get to be eleven years old you’ll learn to be on time.

Timmy: Yea, my dad got lost again. He kept singing some song about, they’ll never find us caus’ we’ll be driiivin’ driiivin’ .... I thought he was going to be right. But at least we finally made it.

King: Timmy, this is Mr Olson. Coincidentally he has ties to 9/11 which is what you were going to debate tonight with those Popular Mechanics.

Timmy: Hello Mr. Olson. I’m very sorry to hear about Mrs. Olson. I was listening in to the show while my dad was singing.

Olson: Thank you Timmy. Nice to meet you.

King: I hear we have one very persistent caller so let’s get right to the phones. This is from ... somewhere in Iowa. Go ahead caller...

Caller: No airplane cell phone calls in 2001.

King: I’m sorry, you say no airplane cell phone calls in 2001?

Caller: Correct. Airplane cell phone calls impossible. Even government agrees. Plus: FBI say ‘no cell phone call.’

King: That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that before. Had you heard that before Ted? Caller how do you know this?

Caller: Moussaoui. Moussaoui trial.

Olson: Larry, I think I know where the caller is going with this. Its been a while, but I remember now. And yes, the caller is right. Its been proven that cell phone calls like this from airplanes were not possible back in 2001. In addition Larry, having been the Solicitor General I do tend to follow court cases. And in the Moussaoui trial, the FBI provided evidence that Barbara did try to call me only once. And in fact, that call lasted all of zero seconds.

King: Zero seconds!? Given all of the things she said to you she must have talked really fast.

Olson: No Larry, what they were saying was that she didn’t connect with me by cell phone.

King: That would explain then why .............. we’ve got a really good staff here. I mean we didn’t even know you were going to be here for more than a few minutes Ted, and they managed to get all of this information to me. I’m sorry .... what was I saying? ...... Oh yes, I guess that would explain why you said on Hannity and Colmes just before you came on with me that Barbara must have used an “airplane phone” and called you collect because as you said, “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.”

Olson: Larry, I forgot, I’ve been through this before. She did call me from an airplane phone. I remember she called me collect because she didn’t have her credit cards.

King: Ted, this is getting confusing. First you called CNN only hours after the crash and said she called you on her cell phone. Then, just three days later you appeared on FOX and said she used an “airplane” phone. Right after that you came on here Ted, and said again she called you using a cell phone. Ted, I think you can understand why I’m confused. So which was it Ted, a cell phone or an airplane phone? Just curious.

Olson: It was a seat back phone, Larry.

King: You mean one of those phones in the back of the seat.

Olson: Yes Larry, that is what I mean.

KIng: It sounds like you remember because you remember she didn’t have her credit cards. Interesting.

King: Ok, back to the phones. From Dallas Texas, caller go ahead.

Caller: No seat back phones.

King: Excuse me, I think you said, no seat back phones. What does that mean?

Caller: American Airlines 757’s didn’t have seat back phones.

King: So you’re saying Barbara Olson could not have called using a seat back phone? Is that correct caller? How do you know this?

Caller: That is correct. No seat back call from an American Airlines’ 757. I work for American Airlines. Don’t give out my name.

King: Ted? No seat back phones.

Olson: Larry, as an ex-Solicitor General, I can follow the argument: FBI: no cell phone call, American Airlines: no seat back phone. Therefore, how two calls? Pretty good argument if I don’t say so myself.

King: And?

Olson: We’ll be right back after the break.

King: Ted, you’re not the one that says “we’ll be right back after the break,” I’m the one who says “we’ll be right back after the break.” We’ll be right back after the break!

(the break)

King: We’re back. Ted, how two phone calls?

Olson: Walkie Talkie.

King: I’m sorry, what did you say?

Olson: Walkie Talkie.

Timmy: Mr. King, I think he said, “walkie talkie.”

King: Thank you Timmy, I heard it the second time. Ted, you’re saying Barbara called you using a “walkie talkie?”

Olson: Must have been. What other option is there?

King: I understand, but “walkie talkie?”

Olson: They’re pretty good these days. Technology these days is incredible. Have you heard of “voice morphing?”

King: I wouldn’t know, Ted. But “walkie talkie?”

Timmy: This is pretty interesting stuff.

King: I would have to agree Timmy. Imagine, walkie talkies working from airplanes. If it weren’t for walkie talkies, I guess, how would we have ever known they used cardboard cutters? We would all be wondering how in the heck were they able to hijack those airplanes. By the way, here is an interesting fact I remember coming across: Did you know that on 9/11, it was the Airlines that operated airport security and their manuals prohibited box cutters? That’s right, box cutters weren’t allowed on airplanes! It makes you wonder how they were able to get all of those box cutters they must have had past those security people and those x-ray machines? And different ones at that! Screeners were told to call their supervisors if box cutters were found. ... Timmy, you have something to say?

Timmy: Excuse me Mr King. Mr Olson, let me see if I’ve got this straight; I know I’m short, but this isn’t that complicated. If it wasn’t a cell phone, and it wasn’t a seat back phone, and with all due respect Mr. Olson, I think its safe to rule out walkie talkies; then did she really call you at all? Mr. Olson, you seem pretty honest. So, if you are telling the truth, maybe it was that “voice morphing” you were talking about. I read that for a lot of years now, they have been able to copy and mimic someone’s voice really easy using computers so that it can be used in place of someone else talking. You know, so that I could talk and it would sound just like you. I guess its so good you can even fool a spouse. And you were Mrs. Olson’s spouse, so maybe you got fooled. Mr. Olson, I guess its either that or you are fudging the truth.

King: Ted, are you OK? Ted? Ted, the bathroom is over there.

King: Tim, its looks like we won’t have time to get a response from Mr. Olson. But I’m glad you were able to make it Timmy. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE!


King: Ted, are you ok? You were in there for a long time. Timmy and I have been talking about how “fishy” -- Tim’s word -- these phone calls are. It made me think again of that statement you made “It's easy to imagine an infinite number of situations where the government might legitimately give out false information.” But why would they give out false information about Barbara’s phone calls only hours after the crash? I guess when you said “infinite” that could cover just about anything; I mean “infinite” is a big number. Not that I’m saying there is any lying going on, but Ted, you have to agree it is “fishy.” So why don’t we just agree to call it “fishy,” ok Ted? Ted? Are you ok? You look a little peaked.

Timmy: You know, I just thought of something: Since we’re in a “trillion dollar” war because of this 9/11 stuff, I’ll bet we can afford a thousand dollars or so to get the phone records and put this thing to rest? It sure seems pretty simple to me. Then if the phone records show that Mrs. Olson really did call, that would get Mr. Olson “off the hook” so to speak. Then, they can try to put to rest --( good luck!) -- all of the other 9/11-light-bulb-“virtual proofs” I read about.

King: But what if she didn’t call, Tim? I mean, .... well, maybe we better leave it there.

Pentagon - no wing impact

Pentagon Hole

Tim: Mr. King, its enough to make you start thinking again about how DID that great big 757 that Mrs. Olson was supposedly on fit through that little hole in the wall? Here, look at this picture I brought along. I was going to show it to that “expert” from Popular Mechanics. It doesn’t look to me like a 757 could have fit through there. Maybe the 757 really did miss all of those light poles by a long shot and actually flew over the Pentagon without hitting it like the Flight Data Recorder showed according to the data provided by the NTSB; which is kind of like the government. You know Mr. King, that little white missile-like thing that didn’t look anything like a 757 in that one video the government finally let us see, I’ll bet that would have fit very nicely through that little hole. Boy, its funny how everything starts making sense when ...

King: Like when Willie Nelson debated Bill Maher right here and explained why he’s sure the Twin Towers were ‘imploded.’

Tim: And like that “Heavy Dust” Mr. GNIST tried to say crushed those Towers.

King: And when the Italian ex-President said its common knowledge among global intelligence agencies that the CIA planned and carried out the attacks on 9/11.

Tim: And maybe all of this is why they are debating the truth about 9/11 in the Japanese Parliament. And what about the thousands of patriotsfor911truth, physicistsfor911truth, architechturalengineersfor911truth, veteransfor911truth, pilotsfor911truth, scholarsfor911truth, canadiensfor911truth, Irishfor911truth, Scottsfor911truth, Newfoundlandersfor911truth, Australiansfor911truth, people and scientists and politicians from all around the world for 911truth. .... I’m pretty good at memorizing lists.

King: Boy I guess! That was some list. But I think maybe we should stop here, Timmy. I think our mikes are still on.

King: There, I think the mikes are off now. Tim, thanks for recommending the book, “The Shell Game.” I couldn’t put it down, no kidding. That Ace Futrell, what a character. Ted, you want to read a great book? Ted? Are you ok?


I hope you, the reader, realize this discussion never actually took place. However, the relevant facts themselves are true and verifiable. The “discussion” is meant to put the “phone calls” -- if indeed they never took place as is almost certainly the case -- into proper perspective and context. Other reasons to doubt that the phone calls ever took place can be found at www.pilotsfor911truth. And this, like SO many other suspect things relating to 9/11, could be easily addressed by the government, yet they refuse to do so.

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